The plan to put any more money in this pot 6-way after the limp/rr failed should have been aborted faster than it took me to make a Plan-B omelet for girls in college. I don't use equity software, but I can imagine the results it spits out for a limped 6-way pot has KK rated just slightly better than the second place hand. Expecting someone to not have JT when money starts getting piled in is asinine.

tldr; never raising after limp/rr fails and trying to get to as cheap a showdown as possible but folding to any aggression

what is a wizard tho? we aren´t playing one on one basketball vs curry or a best of 5 match vs djokovic. this is poker. there is no reason someone should have a huge edge on us, no reason not to try to improve

I mean, esp as a recreational/hobby player, we don´t always have to put yourselfes in easiest possible situations. we don´t always have to seat change/table change just because it *might* get difficult, and we shouldn´t always look to avoid sticky situations. once it´s our action, there is still one best action of all our possible options to take regardless what happened before. why do we always try to avoid those? why is it necessarily bad to be in difficult spots? if I hadn´t crashed all the time, I would be a much worse skier. If I wouldn´t have spent a few too many bucks on my bike, I wouldn´t like biking.

Is this what you planned to do PF if someone raised? I hope not. If you weren't planning on doing that PF, why did you do it then? This play is shockingly bad.

The lesson here is very simple:

BET YOUR HAND!

L/R is FPS, and highly situational. For the vast majority of instances, you're better off opening for a raise.

Bolded statement is pure bull**** without offering proper arguments.

I'll simply have to disagree with this.

If we purposely put ourselves into difficult spots / playing OOP to tougher players / playing at tougher tables / etc. for the purpose of learning to become a better player, my guess is what we'll eventually learn is quite simply not do those things.

As for making the best decision in the particular case we now find ourselves in, that's fine. But it's also a "Hi Dad, It's me Timmy" situation; you'd be far better off not getting yourself into that situation in the first place.

But, you're right, as recreational players, we can do whatever we want. Perhaps OP should get really good at poker by having a 100% VPIP. Maybe he should raise every third hand and 3bet every other one. Or maybe playing blind until the turn. Again, if you're a wizard, go for it. If not, then all you're going to eventually learn is to not do that.

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as I have to disagree with basically all that. Never did I suggest something near between the lines you are trolling me here with, but hey, whatever.

as I was playing as a hobby, I basically never dodged tough opponents. after I happened to play what you could call professionally I never dodged them or tough spots like deepstack poker oop and relentless blind defence either, not bc ego or stuff, but bc I believed it to be +ev spots, and it paid off after all.

hm, but as I writing this to give you back, hey, I might easily have made more if I just bumhunted fish in HU tables and avoided tough marginal spots vs sicko lineups, would potentially have become a worse player with more money, so I actually have to give you the W on this in some ways

but for theorethical reasons on how to play/think about poker spots, I just have to heavily disagree with your way of thinking. most of it is just fundamentally wrong.

We'll agree to disagree.

You're obviously a solid poster and no doubt a winning player. But there is more than one way to win at poker (although obviously very debatable which method is more EV, but a lot of that has to do with skill level).

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I agree
also, regards solid poster, live nlh is not my main game by far, I just enjoy it

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Agreed.

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I never talk politics, religion or limp/rr strat in public... A policy that has held me in good stead.

I'd say all streets were played bad. With a limp re-raise pre, how big are you going to raise and pretty much everyone will fold unless you min-raise which is stupid.

Flop min-raise is bad. 5 players in the hand, no flush or straight draws will fold. If effective stacks are $300+ you need to raise to $100 at least.

Turn bad, you have top set and 25% equity if someone has J/10. Should have just went all in.

live and learn

How many maniacal hyper lagdonks do you generally play with at the table?

Most LLSNL games tend to be passive. L/R does not help you, seeing as how 3-bets are seldom called. You get more value out of your premiums by simply raising and building a pot while you're ahead.

But when they're not...

And that's the premise of this hand.