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03-04-2024 , 07:26 AM
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9 handed, I have ~600 and am in SB, look down at 76cc

UTG (nitty) opens to 6 (his standard open), 3 calls before me and I figure the price is right to see a flop, BB comes along as well

6-ways to a flop of 876hh (pot is 36)

I figure that if there's ever a flop to donk out on, this is it, and lead for 25, it folds to an EP player (not the original raiser) who raises to 60

EP's stack is ~350, and he's been pretty active for the 3-4 hours I've been at the table - playing probably 30-40% of hands, and down a few hundred by this point. I've seen him get out of line with some absolute trash, and make a few hero calls with mixed results, but also show down a few big value hands and make what looked like some sensible folds. My read at this stage is that he's a fishy reg who suffers from fancy play syndrome.

I've played a couple of significant hands with him, one where he was BB, I opened the action to 6 from the button with 32ss (for context, the room runs a promo where if you win a hand postflop with 32s you're rake free until someone else does the same), and he called. flop was Kxxdd, he called a bet of 10, turn was a blank and went x/x, I bet 25 after he checked to me on a J river and he tank folded - I had to show for the promo, and he claimed to have folded a pair of some kind

on the second hand, I had KK and 3bet pre (I forget the exact action), and on a Qxxr flop he shoved over my c-bet of ~35 for ~120 (I cover), I called it off and won against a top pair meh kicker hand like Q8

anyway, back to this hand, it folds back to me and I call

turn is an offsuit J, I check it to him and he bets 125 (pot is 156)

questions I have:

1. are people donking this flop or checking (and if checking, are you planning to x/r)?
2. if we are donking, is the sizing ok?
3. after the flop raise, what are people doing? feels very nitty to fold here given the sizing and the opponent, is anyone 3betting?
4. turn - feels like all three actions could be on the table, what're you doing?
5. if we call turn, what's our plan for the river?

Last edited by Bloobird; 03-04-2024 at 07:54 AM.
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03-04-2024 , 12:59 PM
I am not against donking, but I don't do it here -- not six handed. Vs this player, it's really read-dependent. From my computer, I fold turn.

If you aren't going to fold turn, just shove now. Not sure what else you can do except call and hope he checks behind, which is unlikely (or you bink).
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03-05-2024 , 05:02 PM
I wouldn't donk here. I'd just check. You get to see what every opponent does before you have to act.

Yes, you risk the flop checking through, but 6-handed, odds are good someone is going to bet this flop often enough to take that risk. I would just take a check-call, check-call line, depending on the runout.

Whether or not I'd check-raise depends on the action and the board texture. If UTG c-bets, and anyone flat calls, hell yeah, I'm check-raising. If UTG c-bets and someone raises, I might seriously consider folding. If UTG checks, and some other player raises, whether or not I'll check-raise depends on how early his position is, relative to the UTG raiser - later to act, the more I want to check-raise.

Theory says we should take a small sizing when we bet into multiple opponents. That said, if I was going to donk here, it would probably be with a set, not bottom 2P, and it wouldn't be on a three-straight board, and I might bet full pot, to make sure I get heads-up with an opponent who has a strong enough hand to keep putting money into the pot.

Here, I'd probably fold to the flop raise. If we call, we're just praying to boat up or that V checks back on the turn. When we don't boat up and he bets almost full pot, it's definitely time to fold.

^^This is why we don't want to donk lead with bottom 2P on this three-to-a-straight, two-tone flop. We're in no-man's land when we get called, or worse, raised.

I understand that he's bad, according to your read, but...you could have T9, all the 2P combos, and possibly all the sets. Do you think he's just blasting off with 1P, or just a draw?

I wouldn't call the turn J, but if it was a low off-suit brick, and he bet less, and we did call, I'd probably just stick with the check-call line for the river.
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