I haven't played much at the table so i didn't really have a good grasp of what they other players played like. The only thing i noticed was that villian liked to limp call quite a bit pre.

Hero is in BB with J6

UTG+1(villian) raises to $10(standard raise for the table), MP calls, HJ calls, BTN calls SB folds.

I decided to call given the pot odds pre. Had about 150BB entering the flop.

Flop comes 54A

Checks around.

Turn comes 2 [Board reads 54A2]

I decided to lead for $44, UTG+1 shoves, folds around to me.

I eventually folded and on hindsight should have bet around 1/2ish pot.

However i would like to ask, would you all just check the turn again? I decided to bet here because it feels weird for anyone to ship without a 3 OTT and i don't even think that they would always ship with a 3. Plus the fact that i felt like i could rep a 3 makes it seem like i could take the pot down there and then. Thoughts?

This is a clear fold PF. Check is good on the flop. Check-fold the turn. I see you have picked up outs but there is only one card to come and UTG could easily be trapping.

fold pre

utg+1's stacksize?

I'd tend to bet small on turn, usually you should TID

The call pre is awfulawfulawfulawful. You are OOP with J6s. You just put in 7% of your stack to draw with a hand that makes the nuts almost never.

Flop is a check/fold and you played it right.

Turn, with 5 people in the pot, someone has an ace a lot. So I wouldn't expect to take the pot down a lot here. I'm ok betting 40% of the pot to name my price to see the river.

Leak IMO. Every solid holdem player will tell you playing draws out of position is EXTREMELY difficult.

The only piece of advice you're going to get in this thread is fold pre flop. You're going to hear that 8-10 times before people just stop commenting. I'll try to explain in much greater detail why you should fold this pre flop.

Here's why:

• This hand sucks, it's trash, and doens't play well in or out of position
• it has no potential for a straight, and any flush it makes will never be the buts
• you can hit top pair on any board and be screwd by a better kicker no matter what pair it is
• you will be out of position for the entire hand
• your hand is crappy
• when you hit top pair, there are a few hands that will still be over pairs, which are hard for learning players to see
• you only hit two pair 1/50 times, and if you're calling $10 pre flop, you will not have enough behind to justify any sense of implied odds you need to get paid off 50:1
• YOUR HAND is still CRAPPY
• re-read number one

Another thing to consider is when we make a call pre flop, we want to make a call for a reason.
Valid reasons can be
We are ahead of his opening range.
We think that he bets too often post flop, and will pay us off with weaker hands.
He gives up post flop too often and we can steal even when we have nothing.
We have a positional advantage that we can utilize to put pressure on him.
We have good implied odds to take a flop and try and improve over his hand. (Set mining is a good example.)
There are more reasons, but this is a good start.


When you called pre flop, what was your plan? Why were you calling? And what pot odds are you trying to get? Do you think that you are good enough to get away from the hand if the board comes JT4 rainbow and there is heavy betting? Or are you losing your whole stack on the flop because you hit top pair?

Hopefully this helps.

This is super correct. It'd be interesting to go through all the hands posted with the words "awkward" "tough" "lost", etc. and see how many involve preflop decisions with crappy hands in the blinds.

Great post shadowdodger. OP in a 5-way pot like this you should just check the turn. There's a good chance someone already has a straight or some 2-pair hand so you have very little fold equity. Just check and hope someone bets small enough that you can profitably call to draw.