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01-23-2013 , 03:34 PM
1/1 Underground game...I've been playing for less than an hour, and in that time I've worked my buy-in from $200 to $250 with some aggressive play. Most of the regs in this club view me as a solid, winning player. This table has a combination of regs and relative newbies.

UTG limps, and I raise from UTG+1 with A A to $10 to get it down to 1 or 2 opponents...and 5 players call . Even worse, these players have wildly varying stack sizes. Two players have approx. $40-50 going to the flop, two others have approx. $120-140, and the final player has approx. $180. None of the opponents are particularly awful, tight, or tricky.


Flop--6 players ($60)

K 9 5

UTG checks...given that the SPRs for the various opponents range from 3 down to 1, do I bet the pot or simply push?

Last edited by DrChesspain; 01-23-2013 at 03:42 PM.
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01-23-2013 , 03:39 PM
this is a relatively good flop for these many players, 2 pr unlikely so ya your stacking off for effecitve stacks here

bet 55 and get it in

so many Kx's and fd's possible so ya gte it in
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01-23-2013 , 03:44 PM
This is an odd spot and it may call for odd action.

Given our position, the huge field and the effective stack-sizes here, I think I like a check. Mainly with the intention of c/shoving unless many people declare they love their hand. We have decent equity against everything but sets and the back door NFD is a small bonus. I think this is highly unlikely to be checked around and a check will induce bets/shoves from all Kx hands and likely FDs. Stack sizes are small enough that we will not blow off TP hands with a c/r.
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01-23-2013 , 03:54 PM
I don't like that we're going extremely multiway to the flop. So obviously either raise more or overlimp/raise. If table has been raisey at all, then I like the overlimp/raise here.

I really haven't the slightest clue how to deal with small SPRs in eleventeen way pots. My guess is bet/fold $40 (obviously leaving the folding part to against the "deeper" stacks) and shove the rest in on the turn?

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-23-2013 , 04:00 PM
Bet $40 and get it in vs any one opponent. If multiple people raise or call there will be decisions to be made.
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01-23-2013 , 04:04 PM
Idk how this is even a question - amazing hand, amazing flop, Ad, bet/3bet bet/call bet/fold depending who does what.

Bet 30/35/40

I don't see a great reason for going 55/jam turn unless the players are mega stations - and you said they are tight/ not tricky. Betting bigger isn't going to be -ev given that our hand is so ****ing awesome, nor is 55/jam, but we probably get max value from fds and kx by going closer to half pot/half pot - or half pot c/r arrin. Additionally it could go bet cawl shortie jam and we get it all in and maybe get someone to make a mistake with a variety of different hands.
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01-23-2013 , 04:16 PM
The flop is about as good as you could hope. You might as well treat it as pot committed because any bet commits you against everybody except the deepest guy. I would bet $30 and plan on calling any single shove, if multiple villains shove then it will require some thought on the specific villains.

I'm only folding to multiple shoves here because there are so few possible draws. Multiple shoves here probably indicate a set for somebody. If board was wetter, I would bet more and plan on getting it in either on flop or turn. Here I want to keep Kx and 9X hands in for two bets if possible. I wouldn't expect to get a third bet unless beaten, because you hand looks so much like AK+ when you bet into this many people on flop.
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01-23-2013 , 04:40 PM
I'd rather bet/get it in on turn than shove now. I'm going like 45-50.

Plus you may be able to induce an overshove.
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01-23-2013 , 05:53 PM
Pot flop, shove any non-K turn, easy game.
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01-23-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
My guess is bet/fold $40

GcluelessNLnoobG
really?

this board isnt scary at all to a reraise, i would gladly get it all in otf and expect to see KX a lot
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01-23-2013 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
really?

this board isnt scary at all to a reraise, i would gladly get it all in otf and expect to see KX a lot
I dunno. Obviously we're calling it off against the shortstacks. But what about the "bigger" stack?

I still hate the fact that we ventured 4% of our stack preflop, and others ventured 5.6%, 7.1%, 8.3% (all quite reasonable wagers), 20% and 25% (ok, those are lol) and now we're playing for stacks postflop. Sure hope we're good.
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01-23-2013 , 06:36 PM
Just shove and move on.

Too much risk and uncertainty to mess around.

You're going to lose your stack to 99 and 55 anyway.
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01-23-2013 , 06:39 PM
Overbet pot, like $80 on the flop.
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01-23-2013 , 07:17 PM
Normally, you don't want pocket aces going against a five player field. However, this situation isn't as dire as it first appears. You have the A in your hand, so you are certain the NFD is not out. Your opponents don't know what you know, and anyone with a subnut flush draw will have to take into consideration that he could be up against the NFD.

You don't have any likely straight draws out there, nor likely two-pair, other than possibly ( K, 9 ). Your main fear here is sets, but sets are always a possibility anyway.

Here, I'd go $45 into the field, ready to repop it all in if challenged. You aren't gonna fool anyone by checking, as you've already raised pre, and you need to limit your field, and they probably know it. It would be a disaster to let another diamond fall off for free. A lead also looks a lot like an (A, K) that's trying to drive off opponents. Lead out and see if anyone can play back. If one of the shorties shoves, call. He can't really hurt your stack. If there are multiple shoves, consider folding -- that would look too much like a set's already out there. If the other deep stack shoves: caution. You'll just have to assess this vill to see if he'd make that move with a hand that can't beat wired aces.
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01-23-2013 , 07:29 PM
These people are here to gamble. Oblige them.
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