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08-13-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebastes Pinneger
"proper tipping will have a good effect on games rather than bad in the long run"

Spot on.
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08-13-2010 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
Yeah, It won't matter much to a recreational player, you're right about that. But I think ANL plays bigger than 1/2 and puts in more volume than average. For someone playing a lot excess tipping does decrease their bottom line - thats the point he is trying to make. $250 a month is not negligible, even if you're a 2/5+ player IMO.
I was making a point, TBH I'm not sure what he plays, but it isn't relevant. I'm sorry, but it flat out is not as simple as "I tipped X, if I hadn't, that'd have been X amount more I'd have made at the end of the night". you have no way of knowing this during the session. Also, again, on top of that, if tipping didn't exist, you'd be paying it anyway in the form of an increased rake.
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08-13-2010 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
I was making a point, TBH I'm not sure what he plays, but it isn't relevant. I'm sorry, but it flat out is not as simple as "I tipped X, if I hadn't, that'd have been X amount more I'd have made at the end of the night". you have no way of knowing this during the session. Also, again, on top of that, if tipping didn't exist, you'd be paying it anyway in the form of an increased rake.
I don't think ANL's argument is as simple as "DON'T TIP, YOU'LL EARN MORE" I think he is saying that for those of us who play a lot then we should look at the effect of tipping on our bottom line. For example tipping $5 every time you win a hand is way too much - you just can't justify it. Tipping $1 on a hand where you steal the blinds (3 bucks at 1/2) is also absurd as its 33% of pot, but lots of people still do it.

And by the way, it is that simple - if you tip X less dollars, then you might go home with X dollars more in your pocket.
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08-13-2010 , 07:36 PM
I'm a hearty tipper and I don't do either, and very, very few people do that I've seen. Tiny 1/2 NL pots that consist of limps, or the blinds, or an uncontested-flop-takedown of some small amount don't require a tip. Dealers know this. Also, you obviously don't have to throw redbirds on every decent sized pot, or be ridiculous like some people and fling $25 because you made a straight flush, etc. You only need to be fair, consistent, and reasonably generous, and no one could say a bad thing about you. People who don't tip period, or who drag a $289 or whatever pot and tip $1 and make a face while doing it, are the problem.

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And by the way, it is that simple - if you tip X less dollars, then you might go home with X dollars more in your pocket.
This is obviously vague and ambiguous so I can't attack it, but I don't think it's simple at all. Saying "I won 22 hands and tipped $1 or $2 at a clip totaling $0 over the course of the night, if I hadn't tipped at all I'd have another $30" is flat out completely idiotic and incorrect. It's after the fact thinking. You have no way of knowing during the course of play if this will turn out to be the result. You're also making decisions during the course of the session which are affected by your stack size, and these decisions can go either way. No possible way to determine whether or not the tipping altered your stack greatly, minisculely, or not at all.
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