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05-14-2013 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Except that we know that our range is not the range we're representing. Our range is exactly one hand. Just because V doesn't know that and therefore theoretically shouldn't call does not make this play actually profitable.
+1
This is what happens when you first play LLSNL. You rep such a strong range but always get called.
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05-14-2013 , 10:59 AM
Why donk your stack on 3rd hand? Just wait for a better spot. He MIGHT fold TP or mid pockets but then again he might not or could have hit a set. If u stick around and see that's he is an Aggro lag the punish him later. Cut your losses here.
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05-14-2013 , 11:34 AM
This was a clear raise-or-fold spot, and I thought about five seconds when the action got back to me. I thought AT was a real possibility here, but the insta-call preflop led me in a different direction. I thought he probably had a mid pocket pair 70% of the time. I am relieved that you guys see it the same way.

Note that only one set is possible, which is what makes this a unique spot. And I would expect TT to smooth-call and decloak on the turn, especially when SB is in. Can I get a T to fold? I think often the answer is yes, although of course it would be better if I knew the villain better. A TYPICAL player however snap-folds a mid pair when I shove, I think, and is proud of his 'read.'

I shoved. Villain hesitated .8 seconds and called with QQ.

Chips!
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05-14-2013 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyVee
Can I get a T to fold? I think often the answer is yes, although of course it would be better if I knew the villain better. A TYPICAL player however snap-folds a mid pair when I shove, I think, and is proud of his 'read.'
Disagree with this unless they are scared money. They will always put you on AK and call.
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05-14-2013 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Disagree with this unless they are scared money. They will always put you on AK and call.
come on, man. maybe sometimes, but not always. if it would be that easy, why aren´t you a millionaire...
and who exactly are "they"? phil hellmuth talks about them all the time too...
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05-14-2013 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
come on, man. maybe sometimes, but not always. if it would be that easy, why aren´t you a millionaire...
and who exactly are "they"? phil hellmuth talks about them all the time too...
LLSNL villains don't R/f these flops with made hands. They call to trap you, raise to get it in or are bluffing with air.

Pretty hard to become a millionaire playing 1/2 NL
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05-14-2013 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Disagree with this unless they are scared money. They will always put you on AK and call.
Yup, we've got 3 types of players here.

1. The type that raises you with pockets. This type thinks he is ahead of you because you probably just have AK and will call you
2. The type that flats with pockets. This type thinks he is ahead of you because you probably just have AK and will call you.
3. The type that folds with pockets. This type folds to your flop bet.

The ship all-in only folds out the players whom would have already folded.

I can't count on this unknown being one of the rare players who would raise a low pocket pair and then fold out of respect of your high pockets. He's already made his read that he is ahead and he isn't going to change that mid-hand.
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05-14-2013 , 12:47 PM
Bottom line is that there is absolutely no way to have a read on this villian in any way shape or form after only 3 hands.
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05-14-2013 , 01:07 PM
Fold. Guy seems aggro and he's prolly going to fire most turn cards with his whole range. On to the next one
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