Villain is MAAG, here to gamble. His VPIP is very high and he can get out of line. I saw him open T9o to $15 earlier in the session. In another hand, he limp/called my $20 BTN 3bet, and then donk led flop/turn/river for 50/100/250 on an AJ84J runout, and I called him down with AK. He showed an Ace but I didn't see his kicker. It's possible he had A8 that was counterfeited, but I think it is more likely he was overplaying Ace rag.

My stack is $500 and Villain has me covered at $2500.

Villain opens to 20 after one limp. I call on the BTN with K9. SB calls, BB calls, and the limper calls.

Flop: 237

Villain leads for 125 into a pot of 100.

Given turn sizing, I don't think I have much fold equity if I ship it on the flop. On the other hand, if I just call flop and brick the turn, then I'll be put in an awkward spot when he bets again and I may be forced to fold my equity. Is it best to just ship it here given that we're a coin flip against almost any overpair and there's a chance that we're ahead of a hand like 7x?

Fold pre
If you think K9s is ahead of his range (what is his pos?) then iso 3bet

Nothing you can do AP but jamming flop. Use whatever FE you have now with the more equity than a bricked turn in a bloated flop. I assume he has some bluffs in his range with this sizing and might want to keep in callers with big overpairs by betting smaller than 1.25x pot

Yeah, I'd just jam even if I knew for a fact I had no FE. I don't think flatting in an effort to get others to call is really a thing, there's not a lot that is calling for 125 but folding for 480 in this spot. There's smaller flush draws, but whatever. If a blank rolls off we're not quite going to have odds and something like the A coming off could really ruin the party. Just get it in while your equity is good.

Did you read the bit where he piled in 400 post with an obviously losing hand? Sign me up to play hands postflop in position against this dude.

What boards are you happy calling down a triple barrel with K9?
Sure if you want to play pots with him then 3bet and get it HU
But you've got to have a plan for post when your calling pre

I don't want to just play pots with him, I want to specifically be in position postflop with as much money remaining as possible. I disagree that I can't call without a plan, he sucks and I have position. I explicitly want as much chaos and uncertainty as possible, it's going to be worse for him than for me.

+1

Yea seems like a clear ship. Even against a pretty strong cbet range we should have at least 43% equity here and I’m sure there is all sorts of bull**** in the cbet range as well.

I hate this hand against a typical opening range but no chance I’m folding it pre to a clown unless maybe if the blinds are agro and good.

With a jam, our relative position goes out the window, I know the SPR concept kind of forces us to that but what about a fold? There are 3 villains left to act, and a population tendency to trap? With 20 invested, I would fold Disclaimer: I am recently returning to the game and still learning

Vs a huge overbet and w/ 3 uncapped players left to act, with the non NFD flop seems like a pretty trivial fold. Jamming seems very spewy

But calling is definitely not an option, right? I should have mentioned, I'm the short stack at the table, so I'm not too worried about being called behind by the NFD. I agree Vs huge overbet is worrying and shifts his range mainly to overpairs.

I did ship it in. Never really considered folding, because I was stuck 2.5k due to a couple sick beats, so I wanted to get it in in a marginal spot. He called, we ran it twice, and I lost both boards to his AA.

Agreed that u have to shove or fold.

If you’re a bit deeper u can make a nice and greedy play where u just flat the flop and raise all in over any turn bet. This allows u to win not only the pot but also the extra big bet on the turn. Of course u need to be deep enough to where your turn raise actually has fold equity

A $500 stack at 1/3 is shortstacked....? I mean maybe if everyone is 300-500bb deep but you're fairly deep here.

HU i dont even think this is a shove tbh, once you factor in 3 uncapped ranges + him overbetting in a 5-way flop i think it's a pretty clear fold.

And yes, calling is not rly an option probably the worst imo

I think the preflop call is a bit too speculative. ETA: I mean, we're mostly going to flop extremely mediocre hands that are going to be much harder to play than this flop (and even this flop has a lot of different opinions).

Even though we should be a little concerned about the sizing, I still think I lean towards shipping. We probably have some FE (even if it isn't a lot), and sometimes we're even ahead (with him pushing a worse draw), and otherwise we're sometimes flipping and rarely drawing dead. ETA: Although Minatorr makes some good points regarding folding.

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Definitely a shorter stack compared to others. Most players at the table have more than 1k, and I think those players would be forced to fold the NFD if I shove in this spot with the opening raiser still left to act. Standard opening size at this table is 20-25 (and you can always expect between 3-5 callers). More often than not the pot starts out at more than 100 on the flop. I would say the game plays like a really loose 5-5 game. I'm not short stacked but I do consistently find myself in low SPR spots postflop. I'm not sure I understand the bit about uncapped ranges. This board doesn't really hit either of the blind's cold calling range.

Well I guess you're short relative to the table, but in terms of the game you're not really "short". You were 166bb deep, and got it all-in w/ K-high 5-way.

What I mean by uncapped is that the limper/BB/SB have all the combos of sets here and who knows even 32s and 72s/73s, they have a lot of strong hands here and tbh I don't really expect many NFDs to fold. If they have A2ss/A4ss/A5ss they're probably sigh calling, and I think A8ss+ might call too because they have two overs + NFD. So maybe the only one that folds often is A6ss.

I mean this is probably breakeven at worst HU and most likely slightly +EV, but 5-way with the BB/SB/limper checking most of their range and trapping most of their sets/two pair and checking to PFR (who is relatively spewy), I think it's too ambitious and a good amount -EV. When one of the blinds or limpers snap it off w/ sets/two pair which they have a ton of collectively your EV drops significantly, and in this case even if you get it HU or ignore the other players in the hand you never have > 50% equity against PFR and very very low FE if at all once he overbets into 5 people.


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59,400 games 0.000 secs 11,880,000 games/sec

Board: 3s 7s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.968% 57.97% 00.00% 34433 0.00 { 77+, 33-22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As6s, As4s, As2s, QsJs, QsTs, Qs8s, JsTs, Js8s, Ts9s, Ts8s, 9s8s, 6s5s, 5s4s }
Hand 1: 42.032% 42.03% 00.00% 24967 0.00 { Ks9s }


I gave what I thought is an extremely generous range, he might not even choose this sizing with 88-1010, and may not even iso hands like 65ss/54ss/T8ss/QTss/Q8ss.




If you give him a little tighter:

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34,650 games 0.001 secs 34,650,000 games/sec

Board: 3s 7s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.515% 63.52% 00.00% 22008 0.00 { JJ+, 77, 33-22, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, QsJs, JsTs, Ts9s, 9s8s }
Hand 1: 36.485% 36.48% 00.00% 12642 0.00 { Ks9s }

Probably somewhere in-between, I reckon.

Vs like this guy are not going to be able to fold when you bink. So the only reason to ship otf is to isolate him. But since you can play for stacks any time you want, and you could still fold if one of the other villains x/r, I see no reason to shove this flop.

And trivial fold pre for < 200bb.