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Are you guys limping suited broadways utg? Are you guys limping suited broadways utg?

04-16-2014 , 10:19 AM
What's your utg and utg+1 opening range at an average 2/5 game?
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04-16-2014 , 06:25 PM
There's just no way anyone is profitable opening QTs UTG in a live 2/5 game, sorry. I have thousands of hours in these games and feel the biggest leak aggressive players have is opening light up front. There's just literally no reason to do it. People aren't paying attention and you're getting best handed OOP.
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04-17-2014 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by acescracked84
There's just no way anyone is profitable opening QTs UTG in a live 2/5 game, sorry. I have thousands of hours in these games and feel the biggest leak aggressive players have is opening light up front. There's just literally no reason to do it. People aren't paying attention and you're getting best handed OOP.
At tighter tables you can open weak suited Broadways. The best players probably break even at best at typical tables opening those hands those. Agreed that opening those hands aren't optimal usually
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04-17-2014 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
What's your utg and utg+1 opening range at an average 2/5 game?
Most tables are loose passive sometimes filled with some loose aggro players and maniacs. AJ+, KQ+, 77+ is a great opening range. Add all suited broadways and all PPs at tighter tables.
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04-17-2014 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 11t
What's your utg and utg+1 opening range at an average 2/5 game?
I only open to $15

I never limp and raise 66+, AJo+, A2s+, KQo+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs

Most pros I know open tighter range for $20-$25
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04-17-2014 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
Obv depends on table dynamic. I don't hate small raise to like 2x-2.5x
Do you even play LLSNL? Raising that size does nothing and screams weakness
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04-17-2014 , 06:54 AM
The OP was this being a weak passive game.

I'd always raise these hands in weak games, would probably fold in tough games where there is a lot of 3 betting and good post flop players.

Don't forget to mix it up a bit if playing at least decent players. Otherwise its easy to put you on a narrow range like JJ+, AK or AQ when you raise in early position
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04-17-2014 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by acescracked84
There's just no way anyone is profitable opening QTs UTG in a live 2/5 game, sorry. I have thousands of hours in these games and feel the biggest leak aggressive players have is opening light up front. There's just literally no reason to do it. People aren't paying attention and you're getting best handed OOP.
The answer is "it depends"

There are plenty of tables full of weak-tight passive fit-n-fold ABC type players in which we can own them post flop with almost ATC even if we are OOP.

Then there are some tables in which a thinking player or a winning TAG is in LP and we will light money on fire opening too light OOP.

It just depends.

As far as limping suited broadways UTG, if we are at limpy limpy weak passive tables in which there are a few passive super drooler stations at the table, then we can/should absolutely limp suited broadways from EP.

Implied odds are usually greater than 80:1, and we can realize fat value when we hit 2p or better and we can often manipulate the betting post flop with blocking bets to set our own price to draw.

Problems occur when/if we are unable to fold our TPMK type hands vs a table full of limpers post flop. Problems also occur when/if we don't have a good handle on villains' post flop tendencies.

But if we have good profiles on our villains, their post flop tendencies, the table dynamics, and a decent understanding of our image, then there are definitely times when we should be limping EP with a fairly wide range. With 80:1 or better odds vs super drooler type villains, why in the hell wouldn't we want to play more hands against them if they are going to let us by incorrectly not raising preflop when they are in position???

Obviously, if there are aggros and/or thinking players to our left then limping becomes less profitable or even -EV. But when that is not the case, and we are at a fairly passive limpy type table, then why not take advantage of it...
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