1/3 NL holdem

3 players limp HJ LJ and I limp on the button
The small blind raises to 21

I have k8o

There is one caller (HJ) I flat

The flop comes K84 rainbow

The pre flop raiser bets 35 the HJ calls I call.

The turn is a Q and the pre flop aggressor checks, HJ, and I bet 85

The SB tanks and then calls off the 85 (which was his entire stack) and the HJ fold and he rolls over pocket queens for a set.

River is a brick, and I double up the SB

Should I have raised on the flop?

You asked the wrong question.

flop flat was fine but pre is a clear fold

Ugh, easy fold PF.

As played, I would have raised flop (which was my answer before seeing what your V held). When I make 2 pair with a trashy broadway hand (K8, Q7, etc), I usually like to play them fast. You're likely to get paid by TPGK hands, and IME these types of 2 pair hands are vulnerable.

Let's just say the pot is ~$60 going to the flop after rake. You have a $35 bet and a call in front of you. This is a spot where I'm raising to $110-$120 all day long. Also, to get more truthful and accurate replies, don't list Vs hand in your original post.

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Flop and turn I think you played perfectly. Sucks he hit the turn but you should never be raising flop.

K8o is a fold pre flop. In this hand you flopped top two, so it's ideal, but in general you should not be calling preflop raises with K8o.

It will only get you into trouble. SB is raising against the field, so you know he has a strong hand and you're behind pretty much everything. Fold.

Winning poker is not just about playing hands and winning pots. It's also about not paying people off. Playing bad hands is lighting money on fire.

Grunch (this means I haven't read any responses yet, just the OP)

1) I assume somebody told you that you need to include stack sizes already and not to include results (including your last action)?

2) Fold pre, both times. The overlimp is closer, but still a fold (or a big raise if you think the limpers are often limp/folding, but that is very rare in 1/3). The second call is just awful.

3) After that, it's just a cooler, but it's one you got into because of bad play pre-flop.

All of the above.

The only time I would ever consider playing K8o (apart from checking it in the BB) is perhaps on the Button with 0/1 limps (where I would sometimes raise and attempt to take it down preflop or with a flop cbet). K8o is a piece of crap that I would not overlimp on the Button, and it's a *trivial* fold to the raise. The raiser is raising out-of-the-blinds (typically a much stronger raising range here than normal) and only has a $141 stack (we are getting *horrendous* implied odds of only ~7:1 with an easily dominated hand); position ain't going to make up for this lack of implied odds, nor the fact that one other guy is in the hand (even if they are both the biggest idiots you've ever played against).

I would have put the SB in on the flop before any scare cards could scare him away. He only has 1/2 PSB left at this point, it's doubtful he could even fold an underpair at this point (but he might be able to if a A/K/overcards rolls off on the turn).

Your question sounds like "should I have raised on the flop so as to make him fold his 2 outer so he doesn't suck out on me", which of course would be horrible reasoning. Even knowing he has QQ on the flop, I still probably would have leaned towards a raise but it is most definitely not to get him to fold.

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I limp here unless i think the chances one of the blinds raising is like 15% or higher, and limping is especially good if theres weak players who limped. But i think a limp here is good in general if you can play well post flop. Fold to raise pre

K8o is such garbage tho. I'd take 75o any day of the week over K8o.

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Fold pre

Fold pre