Hero UTG+1 is unknown to V1, probably seen as ok but not well-respected by V2, has about $1100
V1 UTG+2 is a somewhat fishy old man, from what I've seen, he's both stationy and a bit spewy, covers everyone
V2 MP is a TAGish pro or semi-pro, just sat down recently and has $500-$600
Hero raises to 20
V1 raises to 40
V2 calls 40
Folded around to hero who calls 40
Obviously I'm not folding getting these kind of odds. I decided to flat the 40, because this V1's 3bet range is probably QQ+/AK, and I didn't want to 4bet and get pushed off a potential set mining opportunity
Flop comes J T 6
Hero donks for 75
V1 calls
V2 calls
At this point, I don't think V1 has AA or KK anymore, because he probably would have overplayed it and jammed the flop
V2 can have some kind of draw or two pair/a set, his overcall looks kind of strong
Turn blanks
Hero bets 200
V1 folds
V2 jams
Pot odds mandate a call, so I called
Hero UTG+1 is unknown to V1, probably seen as ok but not well-respected by V2, has about $1100
V1 UTG+2 is a somewhat fishy old man, from what I've seen, he's both stationy and a bit spewy, covers everyone
V2 MP is a TAGish pro or semi-pro, just sat down recently and has $500-$600
Hero raises to 20
V1 raises to 40 - A fishy passive old man min 3bets- hmmmm, AA, KK, AK Maybe, just maybe JJ
V2 calls 40 [COLOR="rgb(160, 82, 45)"]Can't think of a range that a pro will call in this spot, pls reconsider the pro/TAG comment[/COLOR]
Folded around to hero who calls 40
Obviously I'm not folding getting these kind of odds. I decided to flat the 40, because this V1's 3bet range is probably QQ+/AK Range is pretty spot on, and I didn't want to 4bet and get pushed off a potential set mining opportunitySo we agree we are behind his range and setmining
Flop comes J T 6
Hero donks for 75what happened to the AA/KK/AK range???, r u donking to know where u r at??
V1 calls range narrowed down to AK
V2 calls Set of JJ or TT
At this point, I don't think V1 has AA or KK anymore, because he probably would have overplayed it and jammed the flop
V2 can have some kind of draw or two pair/a set, his overcall looks kind of strong
Turn blanks
Hero bets 200
V1 folds
V2 jams
Pot odds mandate a call, so I called
Thoughts on all streets appreciated
I hate everything about this hand except ur preflop plan than u clearly didn't follow through with
Last edited by playertee; 12-03-2011 at 09:54 AM.
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If you are up against that kind of range and "calling for odds" then you are effectively playing QQ like a little pair and nearly set mining. Ok you took a stab after the flop but you might have been better going for a check raise against an AK hand... either way - as played I'm not putting in much more on the turn card. Also unless the turn was a 2 - it's not always a blank on this board.
I don't call his push. If your plan was to bet 200 and call a push, I think that is not so good. If your plan was to bet 200 and fold to a push - I think that's not so good.
So... by simple extraction - betting 200 (I think) is not so good.
If you are going to call a shove then you should have bet more on the turn and put him all in. At least that way you have a chance of getting him off KK and maybe (not likely) AA.