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But do those people lead into 9 other players for a psb with a fd, or raise pot (again with 9 others still in the pot)

edit: I just realized we also have to consider that the other 6 players in the pot could have limped Qxss, Kxss, Axss and will probably call if we coldcall. In fact, I've mistakenly been thinking of this hand as a 3 way pot all along. You have a good point, that tips the scales toward raising (though I'm still not sure raising is best)

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07-20-2012 , 03:24 PM

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grindme

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Originally Posted by Rusty Bumwaters

But do those people lead into 9 other players for a psb with a fd, or raise pot (again with 9 others still in the pot)

edit: I just realized we also have to consider that the other 6 players in the pot could have limped Qxss, Kxss, Axss and will probably call if we coldcall. In fact, I've been thinking of this hand as a 3 way pot all along. You have a good point, that tips the scales toward raising (though I'm still not sure raising is best)

In game I weighted v1s range to flush draws due to his eagerness to call 40 more. However its doubtful he's going to put his entire stack at risk when I shove.

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07-20-2012 , 03:35 PM

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Rusty Bumwaters

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Originally Posted by grindme

In game I weighted v1s range to flush draws due to his eagerness to call 40 more. However its doubtful he's going to put his entire stack at risk when I shove.

Thinking for 15 seconds before calling isn't eager (assuming he thought action was on him the whole time it was on you) people usually call pretty quickly with flush draws since it's an auto-call for them unless it's for a big enough bet that risk aversion sets in

I'm back to thinking shoving is best b/c 6 other people left is a lot and we lose a lot more by letting a higher fd in than we gain by keeping a lower fd in (we stack the lower fd but lose the entire pot to the higher fd when the flush comes and the entire pot represents more than 1 player's stack)

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07-20-2012 , 03:49 PM

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Ssslipnssslide

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Originally Posted by grindme

In game I weighted v1s range to flush draws due to his eagerness to call 40 more. However its doubtful he's going to put his entire stack at risk when I shove.

If it's AXss he probably will put it at risk. I was saying before that of we were deeper it would be an interesting thought to flat for a couple reasons. 1) we force V1 to call with his entire range since his action can't change.2) if the spade falls ott & they go crazy we can pretty comfortably fold. If a non-spade falls & it's checked to us (if we were a little deeper) we might be able to actually jam & get a higher FD or bare Tx to fold ott. 3) we are in position do we can always play turns perfectly by sometimes rarely folding, and most of the time still getting paid when we hit since we close action

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07-20-2012 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssslipnssslide

Yeah but we need all villians to be like 200bb+ effective I think for a line like that to work.

I ended up shoving, snap folded by v1 and snap called by v2 who had top two.

He wasnt exactly happy when I turned the flush and held up.