Trying to mix in more l/rr, c/r and overbet shove. Earlier in the session I overbet shoved to good results.

Felt like this was a good spot to l/rr, want you thoughts on the set up.

$1/2

BTN - $300 - Straddles to $6. ABC reasonably AG between LAG and TAG. Will absolutely attack dead money or weakness, but not a maniac or spewy at all. I expect that if/when he raises his button that he'll fold to the aggression unless he's coolered.

SB - $250 - Flats the $6. Older guy, not OMC, really a loose-passive ABC'ish player.

BB - H - $285 - Sexy LAG, flats the $6 w/ KK

Rest of field - 2 or 3 LAG/TAG players, rest are standard LP's. I except there's a ~50% chance the field raises and if they don't a ~50% chance the BTN raises.

Is this a good spot to attempt a l/rr?

What else of your range are you limping here? Personally, I'm not a big fan as this going multi-way for 7 limps or whatever is going to be crappy, especially with us oop.

I'd just raise and hope someone 3-bets you.

I think you can get away with l/rr in live more often than people think, but it depends whether the table knows you and if your limp range is balanced.

that description haha

LeRoy - I have a wide limping range here. I don't know if anyone is paying attention but I'm probably limping small to mid suited connectors and pocket pairs, raising TT+, suited Broadways, AQ+ and then I guess l/rr'ing QQ+, AKs.

Kid - that description is an easier bluff line on-line than live.

Foist off, I wonder if you are overrating the aggression of the field.

Anything is possible, but I don't know that I've ever sat at a 1/2 table where half of the players warrant any kind of acronym with an A in it. I guess the exception would be some home games I play in where we are all trying to own each other with fancy plays.

Anyway, since I've started watching instructional videos, I've seen at least a couple experts advocate a tactic of never raising from the blinds when they act first after a button straddle. Either limp or fold. Makes a lot of sense, especially when up against aggro Vs. (Less so against your standard LP 1/2 field). So, FWIW some top level pros do what you did.

If it really is the case that you will be raised aprox 75% of the time, I think this has to be a fine play and is probably slam dunk the right play.

It's a little transparent, as many people like to limp/rr straddled pots. But I don't know that it matters. If 75% of the time you are going to be closing the action with KK and like 30 normal bbs in the pot, that's a nice spot.

Against described Vs, I like the overbet shove once the raise happens, so it looks like you have AK/AQ, or JJ/TT type hands and maybe they can talk themselves into thinking you are semi-bluffing much wider (KQ, AJ, AT). Sounds reasonably likely that someone will call you.

The alternative, of 3-4xing it and playing KK UTG-1 against a bunch of aggros isn't all that appealing. Even if the l/rr doesn't get called, you might make more on average by hauling in a decent, unraked pot, than by raising.

Are you just not (or minimally) concerned about others narrowing your range via whether you limp or raise here?

Sort of. I almost never l/rr or c/r and i’m Trying to work them into my play book. Admittedly I’m skilled at either play, hence the ask for feedback.

Next action:
6 total limpers and BTN makes it an lol $25, SB makes it $116. Easy jam at this point, correct?

We have to go with it, but honestly I'm not loving life when the passive old guy limp/reraises.

That's not quite what I'm asking. Are you limping 44 here or 67s or QJo or whatever? I'm assuming you're never limping AQ+ or TT+. So can't opponents narrow your range based on what you limp with? I don't know that you get enough protection for your limping hands by LRR some % of the times you get KK/AA in EP.

Normally i’m Limping weaker hands and raising stronger hands. What i’m Considering is working in l/rr occasionally at the top end of my range. I will occassionaply l/rr as a 3b light but I don’t think I would as a 4b, as it is here.

Results:
As Krilleater said, didn’t love the old man making it $116 but i’m Just never folding in this spot. I jammed, it folded to the SB while called w/ QQ. K hi flop effectively ended it.

If aggro is to your direct left, this play has merit. Overall at most 1/2 tables, I would stay away from l/rr.

Keep track of how often there's a raise at your typical table. Now compare that to the times someone 3bets (especially someone 3betting you from EP). Keep track of how often a raise goes multiple ways.

I've done some of these test over smallish sample sizes at my 1/3 NL table (which is the lowest, and only, steaks that run in my room). 2/3rds of pots are raised. I haven't done a 3bet test, but very few pots are 3bet (and I'll assume even less are when tightish me is raising in EP). I'm currently in the middle of doing another test (if my stamina for tracking it can keep up) regarding how multiway raised pots go, but at first glance raises often create very multiway pots.

I'll have more numbers to help back up my arguments in a couple of months, but my foregone conclusion (that I've been using for quite a while, if not from the very beginning): anything other than a L/RR from EP (and MP) at most tables I play at (and I highly doubt anyone elses table differs that much) is pretty meh (exceptions would be tightish shortstacked tables, but even then a L/RR isn't horrible by any means).

But a lot of this also comes down to what you think a good preflop result is. If you consider raising from EP and going 5ways to a low SPR flop to be a fistpump situation, then keep doing that. If you don't, then you'll want to consider the L/RR option more.

ETA: And if you're worried about balancing you limp/reraising range so that it only ain't just AA/KK, that's easy: simply add AK (which plays awesome as a L/RR and in fact likely plays a lot better than an open raise). By simply adding AK alone you'll have more A high in your L/RR range than AA/KK.

Glimptopunishtheraisers,imoG

If there are times to l/rr an absolute monster (QQ+/AK) it's in the blinds vs. a button straddle. At my 1/2 games I find people to be more aggressive pre when a straddle is on (and of course especially so for button straddlers). You'll most likely end up with 2-4 limpers plus a raise and maybe a call. Enough dead money to justify taking it down as not a terrible thing. There's also a chance somebody will spazz or you'll see a pot with lots of dead money hu with a premium, but oop.

I like limping everything in the blinds specifically against a button straddle (with 8/9 players -- eg our position is worse than "utg".) So I'll try to see a flop with pairs and higher SCs, but I'll also have premiums in case someone raises. If we play everything for a raise as usual from that position then we should be folding about 97% of hands

want to narrow your range to AA/KK/AK? l/rr. want to be much wider than that? raise 4x + dead money

I guess you took advantage of your bad read on the SB in this hand. Would you have been happy with this play if he showed up with AA, which he'll have the vast majority of the time if your read was correct?

"SB - $250 - Flats the $6. Older guy, not OMC, really a loose-passive ABC'ish player. "

I don't see anything here to put a player as nailed on AA?
I'd expect to see at least some % of AK and TT-QQ here.

Yes I would have been. I probably tanked for a full minute before shoving to contemplate A’s. I block a lot of AK. I figured V had all his A’s, all his AK, all Q’s and about 1/2 his JJ which made me a huge favorite. I also thought with A’s he would have stepped smaller than from $25 to $116. I liked his sizin for his while range but I think A’s would have been $90-100 or so. Right or wrong, after over a minute a thought I made a very confident jam having read him essentially perfectly. I don’t always read V’s correctly, but when I do I prefer it to be for stacks.