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07-07-2017 , 11:34 AM
Was just curious what others thought about which one they view as worst? Personally I having a harder time with winner tilt as I have a difficult time recognizing it before it's too late. It makes me open my ranges, make looser calls and overall play bad as I try to keep my momentum going in hopes of having a really 'good' night.

Loser Tilt for me isn't too much of an issue as I'm able to recognize that I'm in a situation that it could be an issue. Thus I'm able to tell myself "no stupid, this is where you would typically fold, so fold".

I just recently started to view winner's tilt as a 'real' thing as I had a couple of sessions where I was up a couple of buyins only to have my stack shrink and after analyzing what went wrong and where, it would appear that my discipline went out the window when I had the extra chips to soften the blow of losing hands at showdown.
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07-07-2017 , 11:38 AM
I have a different kind of winner's tilt where I start protecting my win too much and make folds in spots I shouldn't because "I can't win every hand". Makes me much less likely to have really large winning sessions.
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07-07-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
I have a different kind of winner's tilt where I start protecting my win too much and make folds in spots I shouldn't because "I can't win every hand". Makes me much less likely to have really large winning sessions.
This hits me as well. Past two nights, I got off the table even though a huge whale was siting direct to my right (both nights). I had over 400bb and was covered by the whales. I needed to leave though because I recognized I was playing scared and wanted to "lock up the win." Considering I'm recouping from a downswing, I guess it wasn't the worst decision, but still... Sort of a dream scenario to be this deep against poor players.
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07-07-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
I have a different kind of winner's tilt where I start protecting my win too much and make folds in spots I shouldn't because "I can't win every hand". Makes me much less likely to have really large winning sessions.
This, I feel, is a more likely form of "winner's tilt" to hit a good player. If our opening ranges are a truly ingrained habit, then deviating from them is very apparent (to the point where as you are making the play you should be thinking "da fuq did I just do?"), allowing us to take a walk, or just end our session.

However, "protecting a win" can be a lot more insidious and can take a while to recognize since we might go card dead for a bit, or we might be getting hands that are so borderline that it is easy to rationalize the fold, etc.
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07-07-2017 , 02:10 PM
Guy bets 75 into a 150 pot on river
Definitely 2 versions,hmm up 100 don't want to call light as if I'm wrong i'll only be up 25 vs hmm gotta call light turn this 100 i'm up into 250!
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07-07-2017 , 02:27 PM
that is not winner's tilt but there is another name for it it's called spew.

work on your discipline instead of tilt.
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07-07-2017 , 02:50 PM
well I can say that I've never experienced winner's tilt in terms of becoming a nit to protect a win, that's for sure. I have said to myself when facing a big bet (usually a river bet), "do I really want to blow x amount after grinding for so long?" but like I said, that's typically facing a big bet and not truly knowing if I'm good or not.. but as far as winning limiting my initial action, not typically the case.

I'll also add, that having the ability to call a bet and having the ability to muck should my opponent show the winning hand really adds to my winners tilt.
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07-07-2017 , 07:36 PM
This is why I advocate static range use preflop. Stop letting villain image, session being up or down, multiway getting awesome odds.

Play the range regardless of the situation Pre (unless you do end up in a specific spot with a monkey). This will lead to good scenarios postflop.

Unfortunately sometimes when up you do make session protecting decisions sometimes and this is a definite leak, but isn't always a huge one.

Another way to combat this tilt is to play clocked sessions where you play X hours regardless of what happens. You better not tilt or you will swing like crazy if you tilt before your amount of hours are met. And when the clock strikes the session's end. You leave. Up, down, whatever. Play your best every hand.

Maybe stay a little later if the dream game opens up
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07-07-2017 , 08:01 PM
Great advice in this thread, I would add paying yourself a fixed hourly is a brilliant way to approach poker. Ex : win on avg 40 bucks/hour = pay yourself 30 or 35/hours, no matter what. Up 3k? doesn't matter, pay yourself 30/hours. 5k downswing? Pay yourself your hourly.

I didn't/don't do it because I lack the discipline & you need much bigger br then 20bi, the bankroll freaks around could probably come up with a safe number of bi, I can't.

By itself it won't fix anything but it's a great way to work on your discipline and obv that is lacking. You still see chips as money.
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07-08-2017 , 12:10 AM
When I'm way up like 2 buyins I will go into lockdown mode and play the top 10% of my range. You don't want to be vulnerable when you are way deep.
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07-08-2017 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by valiantcalls
When I'm way up like 2 buyins I will go into lockdown mode and play the top 10% of my range. You don't want to be vulnerable when you are way deep.
I'd recommend just leaving then over adopting sub optimal strat
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07-08-2017 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
I'd recommend just leaving then over adopting sub optimal strat
Yeah I don't get that either. If I have a session that I never got up a few buy-ins, I feel like I never really got a chance to play. Last thing I'd do is limit my playability.
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07-09-2017 , 06:33 PM
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I'd recommend just leaving then over adopting sub optimal strat
Good advice that I'm going to take .
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07-11-2017 , 10:24 PM
If you are getting scared playing deep then best advice is too leave.
But if you want to get better at playing deep you will have to overcome your fear and start to play .
When you start to get comfortable playing deep you can learn to turn the screws on people that are scared and watch them buckle under the pressure and paying you off 200+bb when they are holding aces and cant fold it is the best feeling in the world

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07-12-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Good advice that I'm going to take .
I love playing deep. I've only staryed doing so in the past 6 weeks. I was scared at first too. But I seen how much respect people were giving me simply because of my stack size. They wouldn't call a normal sized bet out of fear that I'll bully them on a later street.

More importantly, know your opponents. Whether I am deep stacked or normal, I don't want to butt heads with other regs if I don't have to. In my experience, most deep stack players are solid or out and out fish. So I'm never putting myself in a spot where I want to play for stacks with a reg. If it is down to me and him, I am either checking him and letting him bet into me, or putting small value town bets to get something out of the hand. Either way, I am playing pot control.

Even if I hit a set on a dry board, I'm not going to hammer it like crazy against a solid deep stacked reg because I don't want to open myself to a hard decision later. I am there to take the easy money.

That being said, if a fish has a stack, i will change seats to get position on him and play as many pots with him as I can, limping with a huge range.
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