1/2 Winstar. Never played there but was in Dallas on business. They have a $100-$200 buyin. Just sat down about 2 orbits ago and table is full of loose weak-passives and tight weak passives. Most hands are not seeing showdowns and there are a lot of small pots.

Where I play $6 is an lol-pot builder that gets more calls than a limp, but here it seems $6-$8 is a standard pfr that works about the same as $10-$15 where I play.


To the hand. Hero has $190ish and covers all involved in this hand gets 89hh in the cut-off.

V seems weak loose-passive. He's been doing a lot of calling/folding.

Two loose weak-passives limps, I make it $8. V on the button calls. He has about same stack. One of the limpers calls.

--EDIT. Realized I posted in wrong forum. Can a mod move to Live Low-Stakes NL.

Flop: $25ish. Ad7h5h. Limper checks, don't like the ace, but table is so weak, I follow through on my plan and bet $15 and I have plenty of equity on a draw. V makes it $30. Limper folds. I call (any disagreement here?)

Turn: $85ish. Ad7h5hAh. I make my flush but now a majority of his 2p hands and possible sets got there. I feel like Im in a weird spot. If my read is right, V has a FH here more than he has something like A/KQJ, but I can't discount those entirely. Do I c/f? But that seems so weak so

I bet $40 planning to fold to a raise. He thinks for a while then calls.

River: $165ish. Ad7h5hAhJx. We both have like $110 remaining. C/C? C/f? Bet small again or shove?

Damn. Posted in wrong forum. Can a mod move this to live low-stakes nl?

I like to play combo draws fast on the flop. I probably would have thought about it for 30-60 seconds and then shoved.

AP, I still think I like shoving the river. There's enough AK/AQ in his range that I'm OK with this line.

I think I just check/fold this river against a passive player who has been calling/folding yet check/raised the flop and called on the turn. He's only betting a full house on the river (or that's all he should be betting given description). Passive players don't usually check/min-raise draws, so it's hard to put him on a bigger flush that MIGHT fold river.

He can't really put you on a full house with a raise pre and a call on the flop, so you might get him of an A, but you beat that anyway.

He may only be betting houses on the river, but he's also checking behind everything that we beat which is a disaster. If we give V a range of 44,77,TT,AT+ we still have 80% equity vs. that range. V is likely never folding the river with any A in his hand.

V didn't c/r the flop, V has position. I think V has way more AQ/AK in his range than full houses here.

A passive player who has been calling/folding should fold an A to a push on the river, but lots of players can't fold one. The only A I think he might call with is AQ (maybe) or AK, but it's still questionable.

I don't mind a shove here, but I would check against this player.

Edit: I see he didn't check/raise. He could have AQ/AK. Go ahead and shove -- he might sigh-call.

PF: How much do the limping Vs have? Without knowing their stack sizes, hard to comment if raising 9h8h is the right play, although a raise to $8 is pretty low with two limpers. Not sure what the raise accomplishes except building a bigger pot with a speculative hand.

F (29): SPR against the BTN "weak loose passive" Villain is ~6. SPR against the other Vs is unknown, since you haven't provided stack sizes. Stack sizes are so crucial. Hard to give thoughts without knowing stack sizes.

You don't like the Ace? Huh? I'm loving it. It's going to give me action with my 12-out draw.

So this "weak loose passive" V min-raises us. Since he is "passive", his raise obviously signals he likes his hand. At this point, I would 3! to $100 with the intention of getting it in.

T (89): As far as this guy's range. He easily could of called your PF raise with AK, AQ, AJ, AT....basically any Ace. Of course he could have 77 or 55. Since he is passive, not likely that he raised you with a draw such as KhQh or 6x8x. At this point, we have $152 left. I would c/c here. I don't see alot of value in leading out. He's going to bet if he's got trip aces or a full house. Also, if our intention is to b/f, we could be throwing away the best hand when he raises his trip Aces. If we are scared of his full house, then we should just call down, since he likely is going to be really small in proportion to the pot based on his min-raise on the flop.

R (169): We have $102 left. He didn't raise our turn bet, so it's more likely he doesn't have a full house, but these kind of guys like to slowplay. As played, any bet we make is going to commit us. If we are scared he'll check back his trip aces, then we need to bet knowing we are going to call it off if he raises. If we value bet the turn because we thought we had the best hand, then the river changes nothing (well...except AJ got there).

Would he just call on the button with AK or AQ? Those are the only two hands I think you're ahead of here. It really looks like you has a bigger flush than you.

I'm putting him on KThh, KJhh, QJhh or QThh.

The only FH I can see him playing this way is an absolute bone-crusher like A7. He'd most likely raise 77/55 on the turn because its possible that you have an Ax that he'd want to protect against/get value from.

Since you're so shallow on the river I don't think its worth a blocking type bet. If he is loose-passive hes gonna check behind with a bigger flush. If he bets I think its a clear fold.

H and V have about the same stack sizes, which is in the OP. They each have ~$110 left.

He is a loose/passive player, so he could easily call w/ AQ or AK (I know a ton of players who never raise these hands and definitely don't 3bet them) on button and I doubt he raises a flush draw on flop if he normally call/folds.

Yeah, if this guy is truly weak passive as described by V, then these guys are not min-rasing flush draws on the flop. And these guys don't normally 3bet AK or AQ. They call because, well, that's what weak passives do.

Yep, got that, but how much do the limping Vs have? If we are going to give thoughts on the whole hand, we really need to know the limping Vs stacks to know whether or not we should have even raised 9h8h in the cut-off

As far as my read on the flop, I didn't put any consideration of a draw from this particular V. Granted I only have 20-30 hands of history, but my read was big A, two pair, sets after his min-raise on the flop.

Most stacks were in the $100-$150 range. It was a new table at a game with $100-$200 buyin and every hand so far was small pot and most of them won before showdown.

^^OK. Well, then I'm not a fan of raising PF in this spot. The limpers' stacks are too small if we hit a big hand. Now, if we have one limper and we are trying to isolate a fit or fold player by cbetting the flop, then fine. But raising to $8 doesn't really get anyone to fold.

That is very little time for a read, but at least you are thinking about it and putting people on hands and assigning player types. With this read, I'm more inclined to check and probably fold to a shove. Loose/passives do not bet AQ/AK here very often.

Results.

I decide to take a thin value approach and bet $60 on the river. Honestly, it's a blocking bet at this point, I want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible b/c I think I'm beat a large % of time.

V tanks and I'm thinking I'm good b/c V does not look like the tank/shove type and who would tank shove for $50 more. He finally calls. I show my flush. He seems dejected and tables A5 not realizing he's a winner.

Im late to the party here but Ive played alot at Winstar and a min raise on the flop is almost always a made hand better than one pair. 2 pair, a set, straight ect...

I wouldve called the flop raise but then checked the turn. Most of these passive players would check behind hoping not to scare you out of the pot. Then you can see a showdown cheaply in the rare case you are actually ahead.

I kind of figured that out a little too late. My 3 orbit read on the passive nature of the players was understated. Later in the night a hand went like this. UTG straddle, 4 calls, I make it $25 in BB w/ QQ, straddler calls, two limpers call including on the button.

Flop comes all low w/ 2 diamonds. I bet 2/3 pot, the straddler who was also deep with me folds, button guy shoves for like $50 more. He shows AA. So he limps AA from the button after a bunch of limps in a straddled pot then when it's raised and gets back to him with a caller he just overcalls. Insane.

I'm pretty sure with a good TAG style you could print money there. Too bad I got coolered all night (another hand had KK vs AA, AA lost to TT, top two lost to backdoor flush who flopped bottom pair, etc). I was able to win so many small-medium pots playing aggressive I wasn't a big loser overall, but with even luck would have cleaned up.