By calling this river the rep you are sending the table is... calling station and not alot else, rec players are much more likely to remember you called with 3Rd pair on the river, than who raised what from which position pre-flop

This is going to make villans value bet wider against us... Which if you know is fine I guess as we call wider... But anyine watching pre-flop is going to see you slow down post-flop and as such assign a 'bets when he has it' rep also...

I can see nothing good coming from the way this hand is played, I'm not looking at this as a villan and thinking this guy is crazy aggro, I'm thinking wtf value town..... Maybe that's what you want, and if you adjust accordingly fine, but if you want to establish a loose aggressive image playing a hand this way was not the way to do it...

Further: why are you posting a hh here if your going to rubbish everyone's advice,get defensive about it, and nit accept what the community is saying.... Or was it just a brag at how brilliant your call was?

Seems fairly clear that this is exactly what this was.

Honestly I have no issue with people trying stuff that is unusual or "not TAG" (which to be fair is the standard advice offered by this forum), so long as the logic tallies, whereas here it doesn't.

I appreciate anyone's genuine and thoughtful response. I despise clowns that bolster their post count with Fold Pre/Standard/Etc. without even thinking about a response or a concept. To be fair to you specifically Ronrabbit, you gave 3 well thought out and genuine responses so my problem is not with you.

This post wasn't about a great call. I started with a plan and in the middle of the plan I thought that I had the best hand. So, I made a new plan and it worked. I think that it worked because I work very hard on my hand reading and ranging abilities.

So you don't bet flop because you think it hits their limp call range but then you call the turn because you think you are ahead? I can already guess you called river and was good and want a pat on the back for it but this hand is pure spew and your logic is contradicting.

Edit: Haha, read rest of thread. My read was spot on

Good read.

Do you agree that it does hit the gen pops limp call range?

Based on the size of the turn bet, can Hero narrow Villains range to include Kx, Qx, SD, FD, middle PP?

When Villain bets on the river is his betting range polarized?

When Villain bets this river, is really doing it with value hands other than trips?


Please don't talk about logic with me sir when you need spellcheck to spell it correctly.

See these are the things that I thought about while playing the hand. Sadly, none of these things were brought up in this post. It seems that the evolution of 2+2 in LLSNL has become a bunch of players that play a 20/15 style or tighter and can't comprehend how to play postflop.

Do you disagree that you have used contradicting logic in this hand? If you do you are a lost cause. And actually, KQ4 has missed a limp callers range by a lot and has smashed a PFR raising range. Pre and flop is so bad why even talk about bluff catching a 60 y/o man here? If you find yourself in this spot you need to first address how you got into this spot. If you don't understand why then once again, you are a lost cause.

I agree that my point in playing in this manner was on purpose and for a reason. Logical.

I agree that on the flop, many players at these stakes will limp/call with Kx Qx JT J9 AT AJ holdings. Logical.

Does this flop hit a PFR raising range? Yes. I never stated that it did not. However, I never needed to address it because those hands are not folding. Logical.

As I explained, the turn bet was small and having showdown value, calling with any pair is +EV considering there is also a flush draw on the board. Logical.

I may be a lost cause but my hourly is doing pretty good for someone who is so clueless. GL to you.

If the range you stated is accurate why not value bet flop? A lot more draws than made hands out there.

Because the point of this move is not to double or triple barrel off an entire stack. It is a very inexpensive way to establish an image that I can exploit for the entire session.

The only image you established is that you are a fish. You say you do not bet flop because it hits their limp/call range yet you call down. You say they limp call AJ/Kx etc pre but you think they are capable of bluffing even though they only raise the nuts pre. In both of these scenarios you pick either or, you can't have it both ways. Your all around logic in this hand is terrible.

Thank you for proving my point.

Conveniently ignored the rest of the post though.

As did he. Many of the points he was trying to make were addressed by me earlier.

Fold > Ship > call imo.

Given the way the hand played out, V could easily be making a thinnish (not that thin tbh) value bet with Qx, or, if he is bluffing, could be doing it with a mid pp. If I'm going to continue here, I would be shoving to fold out all of his non Kx stuff. It would be really strange sizing for a complete bluff, so I really don't like calling on the river.

But given we have no history, and we really don't know what his check/bet/bet line means, I prefer a fold on the river.

OP, if your goal was to show the table that you were the worst player at the table, then mission accomplished.