This has been driving me a bit crazy lately, so elaboration would be nice

Say you're in a game where the players are very loose, calling with back door draws, any two cards at times, etc, where you have very little fold equity, but they are also raising a wide enough range you can reraise a depolarized range for value. In general, when reraising a hand like KQ, KJ, AJ, etc and you miss the flop vs someone with a wide calling range, where a C-bet will not take it down often, what is our plan?

How about vs aggressive bad players? We reraise a depolarized range and miss the flop? What is our plan here? They aren't folding often, they are calling, raising though often with junk. How does our plan change against them?

The thing that confuses me is, in theory, we can get value from our A high and K highs. Should we just not bet our air, but bet our A high, K high, bottom and mid pairs, our high equity hands(32% area) etc. Or check our A high, K high, bottoms etc for pot management, and bet the higher end of our range? Seems like you cant go reraise KQ, check misses all the time lol. maybe I'm just over thinking this

against players who don't fold often, we dont want to bluff. But we do want to reraise preflop for value if we can get called by worse. I'm just uncertain about postflop. We don't want to bluff(when we miss), so what do we do?

If people don't fold you don't try to bluff them and you just value bet when you hit a hand.

If people are bluffing too often, you just fold if you don't hit and you let them bet at you when you do hit.

If they're not folding their draws and you're pretty sure they're on a draw, just build the pot and go for a decent river bluff if the draws miss, unless they're still not folding when they miss all their draws on the river, then just go for pure value bets only.

If you're going to value bet A high that might be +EV though I doubt it, especially if you do it often. But it will be really really high variance too.

So you advocate reraise KQ, and check back a T62 flop for example? Say against an aggro bad who isnt folding. I could see this because we could actually call turns and rivers with K high, as well as give ourselves a chance to realize our equity

^^^^ we have showdown value, we aren't likely to make better fold, we may be able to get called by worse, but its close. Check. If on the turn we think he has enough bluffs in his range, call. Repeat on river.

I don't think the idea is to just station the river with K high against these bad players. The idea is to build a pot while we are a favorite so we can stack of with TPGK when our SPR is low enough. How deep you are playing is also an important factor. If we are deeper maybe we could em ploy a pot control/ let villan value own themselves.

This is pretty much every live game I have ever played in. Players just don't fold, period. I would suggest not c-betting by default, because players just simply don't fold often enough for them to work. Opponents will call your c-bet and your second barrel with A4 on a 1054 flop because "they put you on AK". Bluffing is -EV in live games IMO. Just wait till you make your hand, then value bet the crap out of it when you do. This can be frustrating as hell because it is hard to make a hand and you can go a long time without doing so, it is very possible to completely miss on 10 flops in a row or more.

I guess another way to approach a bad aggro would be to not 3-bet and flat more to keep the pot small until making a hand, but this approach will miss value when we could definitely be reraising two broadways for value preflop

Well, the good thing is bad players not folding goes both ways, you can't bluff them, but you can overbet them when you have a hand and they still won't fold ...

It's really player dependant, but I've sat at 1/1 tables, not played a hand for hours and then get called by KJ when I 3bet all-in against a guy who raised 4 limpers to 75.
3 people at the table literally jumped up and called KK+ on me, I still got called though ...

It's always easier to get pf value than play well post.

I'd say just keep studying, you'll get better with your postflop game.

Regardless of the opponents, poker is equity against ranges, if you're strong against V's range, bet.

I used to never c-bet air, and it worked, it just wasn't as profitable as possible. Look at the threads I've posted in during the past year. That's what's gotten me better more than anything else.

I come across this a lot and still not sure of the best way forward. I think though in these situations don't "depolarize" your range. Tighten up and play big hands strong. With weaker hands only play if you can get to the flop cheap knowing that sooner or later you will hit strong and be able to get paid and if you miss let it go.

A guy I was watching whilst playing these tables who is a very strong player I realised was raising £30+ pre on a £1-£2 table with AQ+ 10-10+ so many times got people to call him with junk and because every now and again he got into a pot with 8-3 off and stacked someone people thought he was loose.

Another point to make with these type of players is that they want action and they want big pots if people tighten up against them they start limping and calling more so they can play flops then when someone bets big they see the cash and call because this is their chance of a big pot. They want you to put the money in the middle so they can win big when you do it has to be on your terms.