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Originally Posted by Garick
Obv, if you are opening to 12x, you aren't opening 9Ts or A5s. That is a strategy that, as I said, is only for use when your range is ahead of their calling range.
And while our opponents aren't morons, especially in the lowest level games they are flopaholics. I played in one small home game with the same group of about 25 players for three years where I pretty much only opened ATs+/AJo+ and 88+, and called with speculative hands when I thought I could see a cheap flop. If you asked the regs, they could almost all have correctly identified the strategy that I was playing. Yet they couldn't bring themselves to fold a pretty hand when I opened, because "I want to crack your big hand."
Obviously not all games are like that, but ones where "everyone calls normal raises" usually are. I'll believe that they're going to adjust when I see them adjust.
Which is not to say that I disagree that we need to balance how much we exploit, but I also think we need to stop assuming our Vs will adjust because "if I saw that ****, I'd adjust." We have a huge tendency to mirror-image, and Vs who aren't playing for the same reasons we are aren't going to react to information the same way we will, not because they don't notice it, or are stupid, but because of the thrill of the hunt, or because they assume that you'll go broke when they outflop your aces, or whatever.
Sure, but then this strat is very rarely gonna be used be me for example- as i log the vast majority of my many hours with the same group of 20-30 players. And if i open 12X with KK, i am really forced to go 12x with 910s or A5s- unless i want to express huge sizingtells to the table. Even players that have been losing in poker for 10 years+ is starting to become aware of such sizingtells and slowly making more folds when players are displaying such patterns.
And if you really start going so big that you cant profitably open an adequate created openingrange because you have are handcuffing yourself with absurd big sizings, then that is also cutting into your total overall EV. I am talking about the EV for your whole game, the whole range- ALL the hands you want to play in order to execute your EV. So, if you handcuffs yourself with 10x or 12x sizings as an example, yeah sure you will win more money when you have your KK or AK, BUT you will also lose money/EV by not being able to properly play hands like 78s or 910s. So this EV got to be accounted for, and its hard to make it up just with your premium hands because you dont get those dealt enough unless you run superhot with card distribution.
In my opinion its better to keep your opening sizes consistant on such a level that you can profitably open/play a decently wide range, and let people get confused and set them up to make different kind of mistakes against your whole range. Let them get confused and give them lots of trouble to figure out what you are really doing like jdr also mentioned. Let them lose a bunch of money when you flop the joint with 78s, because people was putting you on an overpair when your isoraised 2 limpers. Let them 3 bet you pre with AQ and double you up when you have KK, because you are raising so much pre that they didnt believe you was strong this time.
Like yeah, if i once a year sits in a complete donkfest of a game with people drinking and vppping 9 out of 10 hands, sure i can nit it up and nutpeddle with huge sizings. But in most peoples everyday games, i dont think thats a strategy i would recommend.
Last edited by Petrucci; 02-21-2021 at 09:24 AM.