6betme says it all.

Oceans 11 is a smaller room with a smaller player pool than most card rooms.

To exceed the rake threshold there needs to be more players and more money coming into the games.

On the bright side, if you can hold your own there you should be OK anywhere else you play. But to do that you have to be more analytical.

Hi OP,

Similar happened to me in Melbourne last week. Crazy dude at a $1/2 table shoving all in blind every single hand. He went from $100 up to $800 in about 20 hands. I had taken hours to build a stack of $550 so when he shoved blind again and I looked down at AKo, part of me wanted to fold due to what a heater this guy was on. Put that to one side though, called and doubled up.

In theory I think I only needed to be beating Q8 to make the call but can empathise with why you felt like folding (not the same as agreeing you should fold!)

In your situation I would have called. We are all learning though.

How many bullets do you take when you go to such a shallow game out of interest? Did that affect your willingness to just get it in?

Cheers,

I thought the OP was mostly asking about a specific hand and whether to call in a specific spot. So I think several posts did answer the question.

OP - look up the term "Independent Random Variable"

Thank you for all of the in-depth responses.

I will continue to update this with similar hands/table situations if they come up.

Im going to hit the books, thanks again.

$60 max buy??!!???

what is the rake? 10% (5 max) + $2 BBJ?

OMG, they are robbing you people blind. doesn't matter how well you play, you can never beat that game.

deepstack poker really doesn't start until 300+ BB. it's all the same crap until you get deeper.

LOL. could never get my money in fast enough

As everyone else says,
fold pre
rack up and leave
never go back.

as played, snap call.

I could be wrong with Ocean's 11, but most California card rooms charge a flat $5-$7 rake regardless of pot size. Yes a flat $5-7 rake. 5 limpers @ $2, house takes half to most of the pot.

Game is unplayable when passive. Only saving grace is due to the awkward stack sizes, players tend to overplay hands. Often several all-ins with draws, middle pairs, etc.

On PokerAtlas it listed Ocean's 11's rake as:

$4 on flop, $1 on river. $1 for Jackpot on flop.

Heh I chuckle when people in Vegas complain about rake...

Q9s is a barely playable hand. It's a suited two-gapper. You need both a J AND a T (rare) to flop a good straight draw. If you flop a 9 and get action, you are dominated by A9s, K9s, TT, JJ+, etc. If you flop a Q and get action, you are dominated by pretty much every Qx hand out there. Really, the only good flop you like are flush draws, and even then you will lose flushes multi-way to AXs and KXs occasionally.

If you are deep and get good odds (4-5 limpers before you), you can limp along and take a cheap flop and see if you bing something. However you have to be good enough to get away from top pair no kicker type hands otherwise you are just hanging yourself.

Much have been discussed about the disadvantages of short buy-in games. When you are short, you have to be tighter preflop (because you maybe all-in by flop) but can be loose postflop (not too much of a mistake to call off rest of stack with a strong draw). It does have the advantage similar to limit holdem in that the shorter buyin keep you out of trouble as you gain experience with the game, but really, move to 100BB as soon as possible.

Also, from your other posts it sounds like you don't have a deep bankroll? If you don't have 5-10 100BB buyins to play at any one time, you may want to play micro stakes online. $10 is 100BB at $.05/.10 stakes, and the experience is invaluable for learning the multi street game.

Q9s mathmatically is a ****ty hand, but for odd reasons, I fare much better with it than I do with J9s, which should play better.

My favorite hand with Q9 suited ever was one night we were down to five handed and every had about 2k in front of them so we kicked a 2/5 game up to 5/10 to keep the game more interesting.


Some nitty soyboy who I absolutely despised for his slow play, no tipping, no gambling, and just generally sour demeanor raised to 4x (40) on the button in our five handed game. I knew he had a big hand and I told him that was the worst preflop raise that I had seen all night since all five players were going to call pre and his kings were going to get cracked.

He snarled at me as I correctly predicted that everyone was going to call.

(200) flop JT8. Ding Ding Ding.

I had a 2500 stack and I bet out 400 from the SB, knowing soyboy could never fold a big pair to me. lol. One dude who I absolutely knew had weak diamonds just calls. Back to the button and he tanks. as he did with every single decision he made all night. He has no idea what to do and he finally shoves for 2100ish. I snap. other V folds.

Runs out brick brick. I show the nuts and the dude starts crying/yelling/cursing at me for how bad I play. Of course his rant is, "how could you call that preflop????"

To which I told him how bad his raise was pre when everyone is going to call. 80 or 90 would have been the right size given the stacks and the flow of the game. To which he threw down pocket jacks on the table and told me how stupidly lucky I was. I just agreed and relished the moment.

In this scenario, I would call a shove by a villain up to 300BB. This is exactly the kind of pot where villain likely has 2p or only As6x or an oesd or fd. Either way, I get it in because even the 5% he has a set, I can still hot the flush.

Against these types of bullies, I open my range up to about 40% and if I can limp behind, I will limp with ATC's just to play against him.

I'm willing to get coolered 2-3 times for 100BB because I will eventually get his stack most of the time.

CSB! What’s a “soyboy”?


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Soyboy is a derogatory right-political term to refer to emasculant males.

Most 'soyboys' I know are pretty fun to play with. Better than sour OMCs.