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04-17-2018 , 08:33 AM
Villain 1- seems to be an active player. I haven't seen many hands go to showdown so I cant tell if he's on a heater or LAG.

$425V1-limps 3.00 ( I haven't seen him do this he usually raises If he enters )

$650Hero- K10 makes it 18.00

V2- total fish calls 18.00

v1- calls 18.00

Flop- 9 7 2

v2- donk leads 25.00

v1- calls 25.00

Hero- 3 bets to 110.00

v2 folds

v1- calls 110.00

Turn- Q

v1- checks

Hero- Goes All In
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04-17-2018 , 09:25 AM
Please give the pot sizes on each street so we dont have do add it up ourselves. I wouldnt play it this way every time. Player dependent, but Im fine with it.
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04-17-2018 , 10:06 AM
Way too general a question. Could be fine if villain has a fold button or could be spew if he doesn't.

It would suck if he hero calls with the naked AX flush draw, but the Qx on the turn is a good card to bluff and gives you additional equity with a gutter draw to the J. Villain can't have much of a hand here and you should have ~33% equity when called versus his one pair range and 20% vs his NFD's.
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04-17-2018 , 10:55 AM
I dont particularly like the flop raise here...would prefer a flat IP and then raise the turn. But I guess it is an OK line overall if V's can fold hands like J9, T9, and nut flush draws.
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04-17-2018 , 12:04 PM
What position are you? I don't have a problem with a Button/CO raise, but anything much earlier than that is meh, imo.

How big a stack does fish have? I probably just flat this flop. Yeah, we have 2 overs and flush draw (although it isn't to the nuts), but we also have 2 people interested in the pot, one of the being a fish that we might not have much FE against, and the other guy just called a flop donk with the preflop raiser behind him (strength, imo).

Next time post pot sizes, but I'm guessing we have a little over a PSB left? We've picked up a gutshot to go with our flush draw and no draw completed on the turn. You'd think we woulda heard about a monster on the flop (calling flop and checking turn on a drawy board is risky). I think I'm ok with the turn shove.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-17-2018 , 12:07 PM
villain has little over 300 left in a 200 something pot

we have him covered
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04-17-2018 , 12:25 PM
Pot is $300. Villain has $297 left.

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
What position are you? I don't have a problem with a Button/CO raise, but anything much earlier than that is meh, imo.
Suited broadways are a pretty standard raise from any position.
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04-17-2018 , 12:34 PM
jam flop
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04-17-2018 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
jam flop
For $630? Why?
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04-17-2018 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
For $630? Why?
Thought it was 407? FE?
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04-17-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
Thought it was 382? FE?
VS two opponents (one who donked) seems like spew for no reason, especially in position. I mean sure we probably have outs but I don't see any reason to get out of line OTF here.
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04-17-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by shorn7
VS two opponents (one who donked) seems like spew for no reason, especially in position. I mean sure we probably have outs but I don't see any reason to get out of line OTF here.
It's actually 407. The total fish donked out followed by a flat by the possible LAG. I don't like raising anything less, since it leave a low SPR on later streets. I would either flat or jam to maximize FE and we have equity if called.
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04-17-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
It's actually 407. The total fish donked out followed by a flat by the possible LAG. I don't like raising anything less, since it leave a low SPR on later streets. I would either flat or jam to maximize FE and we have equity if called.
OK. I think jam is a huge overplay, but understood. I would flat close to 100% of the time here.
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04-17-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Suited broadways are a pretty standard raise from any position.
I'm not sure how "standard" is arrived at, but I standardly open fold them in EP (especially the weaker end like KTs) at raisey / non-payoffy tables. Will typically overlimp them if an awesome limper has entered the pot. I'm fine with raising them in position if we're pretty sure it will take down the pot / get it HU; but the earlier we raise them, especially at loose tables, the less chance that is going to happen, the less chance we end up in position, and especially with smaller stacks we setup far too small SPRs that we want to deal with, imo.

Gbut,mystandardmightbedifferentthanothersG
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04-17-2018 , 01:01 PM
Please mention player positions and potsize on all streets, this should be standard.

Well played imo. Jamming flop over a 25 bet and a call seems ridiculous by the way.

P.S. You're not 3betting the flop, this is a 2bet aka a "normal" raise.

Last edited by Homey D. Clown; 04-17-2018 at 01:10 PM.
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04-17-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm not sure how "standard" is arrived at...
Standard like any credible RFI range.

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
...but I standardly open fold them in EP (especially the weaker end like KTs) at raisey / non-payoffy tables.
Yah but you're also a nit.
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04-17-2018 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Yah but you're also a nit.
Fair enough.

GbutIalsothinkitsthecorrectplayatmosttablesG
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04-17-2018 , 02:12 PM
Is it being a nit to open fold KTs in a 9 or 10 person game in EP in an action game now? I guess I'm nittier than I thought.

OP, this is a pretty player dependent spot I feel. If the villain has a fold button then the turn with the Q is a good spot to bluff. We also picked up more outs that can beat even the top of his range like sets and two pair. The concerning part is how villain flats the 25 and your raise to 110. What is hero's image to villain? If you're anything but LAG then this should be alarm bells to you that villain has a strong hand. You could very well be jamming into his near nutted hands most of the time here, i.e. sets, two pair, Tc8c, etc.
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04-17-2018 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger
Is it being a nit to open fold KTs in a 9 or 10 person game in EP in an action game now? I guess I'm nittier than I thought.

OP, this is a pretty player dependent spot I feel. If the villain has a fold button then the turn with the Q is a good spot to bluff. We also picked up more outs that can beat even the top of his range like sets and two pair. The concerning part is how villain flats the 25 and your raise to 110. What is hero's image to villain? If you're anything but LAG then this should be alarm bells to you that villain has a strong hand. You could very well be jamming into his near nutted hands most of the time here, i.e. sets, two pair, Tc8c, etc.
^^^^^^this
your way over playing and bloating the pot to a V who is displaying he's got a monster
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04-17-2018 , 02:21 PM
i apologize this is a sloppy post i did it when i just woke up no coffee yet

v1- is utg limped
Hero is in mid position
v2- is in the BB hes the fish
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04-17-2018 , 03:09 PM
Early position limp and then a call to a raise in the 1-3 games I play in are usually small pocket pairs and suited one gappers. I would just call flop but since you raised and got a call I’m putting villain on set of 2s or 7s, top 2 or some type of combo draw. The only worst hand we’re getting called by here is a worst flush draw with a worst gut shot and don’t have much fold equity because everything else seems like a made hand that’s ready to snap a shove.
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