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Old 06-25-2014, 10:51 AM   #1
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whats he repping

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playing 6 handed 1/2 private game with basically the same 15ish people every week so no the players quite well although this was my first time playing for about 6 months

theres a straddle to 4 an utg+1 makes it 15 i call from bb with ac8c, straddle also calls, flop comes jc4d9c it checks around turn is 4h and i lead for 22 straddle folds utg+1 makes it 60 i call, river is 7d i check he bets 140 into 166 what are is possible hands here. i had about 320 to start hand villain about 2k if thats relevant. thanks
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:00 AM   #2
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Re: whats he repping

Fold pre. As played, fold too..

Repping: I'd imagine he has a set of JJ, 99, possibly QKc that missed/FOS. Thats about it.. I lean towards a set of JJs.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:06 AM   #3
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If you know the players well, give us reads on you and the villain and give us stack sizes pre-flop.

I would have folded pre. I would definitely fold now. If I had called pre, I would have bet this flop.

I'm not sure it really matters what he's repping, because we really can't call and definitely can't raise and expect him to fold. He could have a lot of hands or be bluffing, but I don't think we can beat his bluff.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:10 AM   #4
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Re: whats he repping

Fold Pre.

If you play with the same 15 people all the time, you should have some kind of read on how they play, which you need to add to the description.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:16 AM   #5
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since he raised right after the straddle this is most likely a pocket pair.

After he raised this looks like he had JJ or 99 who filled up, less likely would be A4 suited.

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Old 06-25-2014, 11:22 AM   #6
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since he raised right after the straddle this is most likely a pocket pair.
LOL - how do you determine this without a read on an opponent? Readless, lots of opponents would raise with:

AKs, AK, AQs, AQ, AJs, ATs, KQs, KQ, KJs, QJs, JTs
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:25 AM   #7
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Re: whats he repping

Fold or raise pre; usually folding.

I really dislike the less than half-pot bluff on the turn. If you think he's repping a narrow range; aren't we repping a narrow range as well? We have blockers to draws and no blockers to the narrow range.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:26 AM   #8
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ok villain had been the most active player on the table shown some big bluffs, i have been the tightest player on the table but from past history he knows i have made some big hero calls, like i said not played with them for 6 months so not sure what he remembers of me or how he has been playing recently. as far as his hand goes do you really think hes checking back jjj or 999 on that wet a board i dont think he is i pretty much ruled them out i thought the only hands he could have for value are some 4s or 108s but i had an 8 so bit less likely, plus doing anything other than calling pre seems stupid
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:27 AM   #9
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LOL - how do you determine this without a read on an opponent? Readless, lots of opponents would raise with:

AKs, AK, AQs, AQ, AJs, ATs, KQs, KQ, KJs, QJs, JTs
An unknown raised UTG, people are usually raising the top of their range and pocket pairs. I didn't say those hands are impossible.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:36 AM   #10
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I'm sorry, but if you think the call from bb of A8s is the only play pre-flop, we can't help you. Seriously. You came here for advice and we all gave you the same advice (fold pre) and you say we are stupid?
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:49 AM   #11
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ok villain had been the most active player on the table shown some big bluffs, i have been the tightest player on the table but from past history he knows i have made some big hero calls, like i said not played with them for 6 months so not sure what he remembers of me or how he has been playing recently. as far as his hand goes do you really think hes checking back jjj or 999 on that wet a board i dont think he is i pretty much ruled them out i thought the only hands he could have for value are some 4s or 108s but i had an 8 so bit less likely, plus doing anything other than calling pre seems stupid
this information about him should have been included in your original post. If he is the most active player at the table and you think he is opening light, then why not 3bet him? Calling is STILL the worst thing to do.
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:49 AM   #12
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sorry java didnt mean to offend poor choice of words meant to say wrong not stupid my bad
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:52 AM   #13
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if it was offsuit i can see 3 betting or folding pre but can someone explain why calling with a nut draw is bad pre im i tighter player and play very tight out of blinds but cant see how folding this is bad
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:54 AM   #14
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OK. In this situation, it is a raise or a fold pre AINEC. You are dominated by most hands and have to hit gin or know you can totally outplay your opponents to hold this hand. As played, you hit a great flop for your hand and still checked!
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:56 AM   #15
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ok villain had been the most active player on the table shown some big bluffs, i have been the tightest player on the table but from past history he knows i have made some big hero calls, like i said not played with them for 6 months so not sure what he remembers of me or how he has been playing recently. as far as his hand goes do you really think hes checking back jjj or 999 on that wet a board i dont think he is i pretty much ruled them out i thought the only hands he could have for value are some 4s or 108s but i had an 8 so bit less likely, plus doing anything other than calling pre seems stupid
this info on him should have been included in your original post. If he is very active and bluffs a lot, calling is still the worst thing to do. What are we gona do with our air after he starts barreling away (how good are we gona feel if we hit an ace?) If you think he is opening wide it's either a fold or a light 3bet to take the initiative away from him with your tight image.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:04 PM   #16
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forget about my play anyway thats not the point of this thread just curious about his possible hands
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:11 PM   #17
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if it was offsuit i can see 3 betting or folding pre but can someone explain why calling with a nut draw is bad pre im i tighter player and play very tight out of blinds but cant see how folding this is bad
we don't have a nut draw, we have dog crap.

the odds of hitting a flush draw on the flop is just like trying to hit a set. AND, if we hit the flush draw, we still need to hit the flush.

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forget about my play anyway thats not the point of this thread just curious about his possible hands
this is a question that only you could answer. It depends on how many times he raises pf. If he is very active, as you said, does that mean he raises pf alot? Does he raise no matter what position he's in?

If he does, than he would have a very wide opening range which could be anything from any two cards to any Broadway(X) +.
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:41 PM   #18
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oh right thanks playbig2000 he could have anything thats real helpful that mate does no1 have a range of hands that hes checking back flop in pos then raising small on turn and bombing river thats all im intrested in, WHAT HANDS IS HE TAKING THAT LINE WITH
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Old 06-25-2014, 02:44 PM   #19
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Calling a raise with Axs OOP in blinds is a leak and should be plugged...plays much better when you have position on V. Also, if you think V has been raising light with any 2.....3 bet and take the initiative...so pre.... fold>3bet>call

On the flop, we hit what we wanted so take the initiative and bet out...believe ch/c against loose aggro villain on flop is bad as well. Basically polarizes your hand to some sort of draw.

Now for V's range....a thinking villain could easily take this line with TT here as well as slow playing top set or middle set (although I don't like this play on this board but possible). 4x are also in his range but much less likely considering his combos mainly would consist of 45 or 34 from an UTG raise. Other than that....it's basic air I believe. Your bet on turn looks weak so could be taking advantage but then again you're looking at a fold or shove situation bc A high with an 8 kicker is still most likely not good...shoving would be bad with V having to call off so little now over his river bet.

Given V's stack size, I'm just folding. Should've bet flop though if calling pre here....not doing this put you in a bad position.

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Old 06-25-2014, 02:48 PM   #20
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Also, calling V's raise on the turn for your flush draw is a mistake...there's a paired board out there and you're about 3 to 1 on your money...this should be a fold.
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:37 PM   #21
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Bet turn.

To answer your question: he'a repping a small flush/ air
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:43 PM   #22
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oh right thanks playbig2000 he could have anything thats real helpful that mate does no1 have a range of hands that hes checking back flop in pos then raising small on turn and bombing river thats all im intrested in, WHAT HANDS IS HE TAKING THAT LINE WITH
when loose aggressive players raise pf then check the flop, you have to be very careful.. it could be a monster and the line seems to go along with that.
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:49 PM   #23
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An unknown raised UTG, people are usually raising the top of their range and pocket pairs. I didn't say those hands are impossible.
It's 6 handed and there is a straddle. I imagine his range is much wider than pp. Folding pre flop and maybe even folding turn depending on reads.
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:49 PM   #24
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Bet turn.

To answer your question: he'a repping a small flush/ air
what flush possibility are you seeing?? so he can only have air here??
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:53 PM   #25
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He's repping AA, KK, JJ, 99, 44, AJ, or anything he thinks he can bet you off of because you are not repping anything except a draw or small pp.
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