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Old 05-12-2017, 09:31 PM   #1
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What's the +EV Long-term line to take

Pretty standard situation in NL 1/2 tonight.
I call a raise of $10 in the BB with 99
Four callers. Flop comes
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Preflop raiser MP bets 30. He's 30 or so and wearing a hat with sunglasses lol. I've seen him before but never played with him. Cut-off calls. SB folds. Pot is 103.
I reraise all-in for $170 or so. I want to get it in and they always seem to call where I play. Why I don't know.
MP calls, Cut-off folds. The board runs out and the set holds.
He turns over AA and begins whining. He looks at me as if he wants to kill me. I wanted to tell him that this was pretty standard and "that's poker." The guy then runs off to find more $. He gets more money. When he comes back he buys in for $100. He then begins saying things like "every table I sit at I'm the best player and some jerk 2 outs me. It keeps happening."
Then he keeps glaring at me. A couple of times I start giggling because the whole situation is absurd. Is there anything to say here that's positive in this situation? Actually, I'm still laughing but am i supposed to say something here?
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:46 PM   #2
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Re: What's the +EV Long-term line to take

I think your shove is fine. I think with your stack size on a flop like this you can also make basically a min raise to $75 to try and keep everyone in with the intention to shove our last $90 in on any turn.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:24 PM   #3
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Sound advice man. I'm not sure what--if anything--i can say to a guy like that. I should try not to laugh though
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Old 05-13-2017, 03:49 AM   #4
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"Try to flop better. You're not trying hard enough."
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:36 AM   #5
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I don't think it matters what you say as long as you're not outright rude. Laughing at him probably isn't great. I sometimes do some trolling for the amusement of others at the table who know how poker works, but I'm never a **** about it.

People have different psychologies around poker. Some people get some sort of cathartic "enjoyment" out of wallowing in their own supposed unluckiness. They want their inner feeling of victimhood justified. Last night there was a hand, I didn't see the whole hand but the board was like A8762, a guy bet, got raised and called. His opponent showed him the nut straight. He turned over QQ and made this expression like "so unlucky, am I right". I really don't believe that he called on the river because he thought he was good. He called, at least in part, because he wanted to show the hand and justify himself to the table as a good player, or something. I don't fully understand it, but I frequently see people call the river with premium preflop hands in spots where it would be obvious to a 3 year old that their hand is no good.

My point here is that the assumption you're making that this guy would be more willing to come back and play more poker if you could disabuse him of the idea that he's unlucky could well be the opposite of the truth.

I also tend to think, ethically, that I shouldn't try to talk people into gambling more. It would probably be better for that guy if he stopped playing poker. That's his business and I'm not going to try to talk him into not playing, but I also don't think it's my place to try to convince him that his losses are no big deal and if he just keeps playing I'm sure wins will be around the corner.
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:53 AM   #6
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lol classic!
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:55 AM   #7
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My point here is that the assumption you're making that this guy would be more willing to come back and play more poker if you could disabuse him of the idea that he's unlucky could well be the opposite of the truth.
awesome comment, that's an excellent point and i hadn't thought of it
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Old 05-13-2017, 06:53 AM   #8
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Don't laugh at him. I'd just mumble something like, "Yeah, I got lucky that time. I didn't know you were that strong. You'll get me the next time." If he's still angry after a while, say something like, "you got me that time" when you fold on the flop to his bet when you miss." Guys like this count pots won, not money won. You'll be even in his mind.
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Old 05-13-2017, 07:14 AM   #9
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Yeah that's great advice, it really is, and i'll be following it next time. I don't want the guy to start thinking too much about the game lol
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Old 05-13-2017, 09:14 AM   #10
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Don't laugh at him. I'd just mumble something like, "Yeah, I got lucky that time. I didn't know you were that strong. You'll get me the next time." If he's still angry after a while, say something like, "you got me that time" when you fold on the flop to his bet when you miss." Guys like this count pots won, not money won. You'll be even in his mind.
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