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What's with all the donk bets? hand #2 5-10NL multiway pot What's with all the donk bets? hand #2 5-10NL multiway pot

04-12-2013 , 11:40 AM
Usually play 2-5NL at this casino but playing 5-10NL today as table had a few obvious fish and no open seats at 2-5game.

Hero HJ $2700 40's white guy, at table about 2hr playing straight up TAG. Usually play 2-5NL at this casino and a couple guys at table may recognize me from 2-5, def. not scared money though not sure what their perception is, usually TAGish, play draws and big hands fast. However only bought in $1000(covering the 2 obvious fish) so I may be seen as scared money/shot taking, until I got some reads on other players(knew only 2 players at table) I planned to top off, but quickly doubled up vs an unknown when I flopped bottom set on a very wet board, bet near pot and flatted a small c/r and got all in on turn with FH vs villains straight flush draw. I have opened for a raise a few times and have overlimped with spec hands a couple of times. About 1hr ago I raised 3 limpers to $45 on BTN with AK and got 3 callers, missed, BB donked out $115 one caller and I folded. The second time about 45 min ago was hand I posted here where I raised pre-flop w JJ, flopped overpair, and called two 1/2+ pot donk bets but didn't bet for value on river after a K fell and he checked(missed value?- he had TPWK). The next 2 times I pick up hands and raise PF I also get donked into on the flop. I thought this was pretty unusual(my image? 5-10 at this casino? this table? got me) and made me think more about my play and maximizing value(I definitely missed some) in these spots. This is the second one and I wanted to get a line check on all of them. I'll present them 1 at a time.

V1 BB $1500 late 20's, not very aggressive, opens with a raises IP, limps a decent amount, calls raises pretty often the seems to be fit or fold, he was the player who donked into me when I folded the AK hand(didn't show down), does cbet often enough when he has initiative and position, nothing out of the ordinary, haven't seen him play any big pots or showdown much

V2 UTG+2 $850 40's rec player, limps too much, calls too much, not great with bet sizing, bit timid

Hero CO $2700

V3 BTN $2800 30ish, clean cut, hoody, seems like a decent reg, opens with a raise most of the time, reasonably aggressive but not spewy, showed down couple of decent hands at showdown where he pot controlled turn and value bet river(KK and TPTK I think)

V2 UTG+2 $850 limps
Hero CO $2700 picks up AA and makes it $60
V3 BTN $2800 calls
V1 BB $1500 calls
V2 folds

Pot $190
Flop Q72
V1 donks for $100
Hero?
What's with all the donk bets? hand #2 5-10NL multiway pot Quote
04-13-2013 , 12:32 AM
Call flop as a slow play because you have a weak-tight nitty image after that JJ hand.

If you had a LAG bluffy image, I raise here all day long.
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04-13-2013 , 05:55 AM
Raise to $380. You can always check back turn for pot control if he doesn't 3b flop.
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04-15-2013 , 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crackleback
Usually play 2-5NL at this casino but playing 5-10NL today as table had a few obvious fish and no open seats at 2-5game.

Hero HJ $2700 40's white guy, at table about 2hr playing straight up TAG. Usually play 2-5NL at this casino and a couple guys at table may recognize me from 2-5, def. not scared money though not sure what their perception is, usually TAGish, play draws and big hands fast. However only bought in $1000(covering the 2 obvious fish) so I may be seen as scared money/shot taking, until I got some reads on other players(knew only 2 players at table) I planned to top off, but quickly doubled up vs an unknown when I flopped bottom set on a very wet board, bet near pot and flatted a small c/r and got all in on turn with FH vs villains straight flush draw. I have opened for a raise a few times and have overlimped with spec hands a couple of times. About 1hr ago I raised 3 limpers to $45 on BTN with AK and got 3 callers, missed, BB donked out $115 one caller and I folded. The second time about 45 min ago was hand I posted here where I raised pre-flop w JJ, flopped overpair, and called two 1/2+ pot donk bets but didn't bet for value on river after a K fell and he checked(missed value?- he had TPWK). The next 2 times I pick up hands and raise PF I also get donked into on the flop. I thought this was pretty unusual(my image? 5-10 at this casino? this table? got me) and made me think more about my play and maximizing value(I definitely missed some) in these spots. This is the second one and I wanted to get a line check on all of them. I'll present them 1 at a time.

V1 BB $1500 late 20's, not very aggressive, opens with a raises IP, limps a decent amount, calls raises pretty often the seems to be fit or fold, he was the player who donked into me when I folded the AK hand(didn't show down), does cbet often enough when he has initiative and position, nothing out of the ordinary, haven't seen him play any big pots or showdown much

V2 UTG+2 $850 40's rec player, limps too much, calls too much, not great with bet sizing, bit timid

Hero CO $2700

V3 BTN $2800 30ish, clean cut, hoody, seems like a decent reg, opens with a raise most of the time, reasonably aggressive but not spewy, showed down couple of decent hands at showdown where he pot controlled turn and value bet river(KK and TPTK I think)

V2 UTG+2 $850 limps
Hero CO $2700 picks up AA and makes it $60
V3 BTN $2800 calls
V1 BB $1500 calls
V2 folds

Pot $190
Flop Q72
V1 donks for $100
Hero?
Hero calls
BTN calls

Pot $490
Turn 5

V1 bets $275
Hero?
What's with all the donk bets? hand #2 5-10NL multiway pot Quote
04-16-2013 , 11:29 AM
Raise turn to $650-$700.
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04-17-2013 , 09:54 PM
Not much interest in this hand I guess.

It's important I think to get the most value without leaving ourselves up against only the hands that crush us.

I raise to $650
V3 flats on Btn ?? thought he would be done with hand here, Not sure what the hell to put him on. AQ(doubtful) KK(maybe he thinks he slow played it but is afraid of AA or sets now) or a set(77 or 22) that doesn't raise on this board against 2 guys huh? Can he still be here with a flush draw?
V1 calls(I'm thinking flush draw plus pair or maybe overplayed Q)

Pot $2440
River 2

V1 checks
Hero? just jam or value bet like 8-900?
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04-17-2013 , 10:10 PM
Shove nobody can beat aces here.
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04-17-2013 , 10:38 PM
Nice river card there...you have ~$1900 left and pot is $2400. Can't see either of them showing up with QQ/77/55/22 here very often. Whether to shove or value bet $900-1300ish depends on your perception of their hand strength and whether one of them would call off a shove with Qx.
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04-18-2013 , 11:33 PM
Yeah that's about what I figured. Shove vs 900 only matters to V3 anyway as V1 only has like 800 left.

I shoved, both folded. Just wondered if 900 gets called by V3. V1 probly had draw plus and realized he had no showdown value by river no matter what the odds were.

Was wondering if shove can only get called by better, but I felt V3 could have KK and would have to call if he chose to play it this way, maybe even AQ can call if they are stationy enough.

Any merit in like a $300 bet to try to induce spas from a missed draw?
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