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Old 10-11-2017, 12:23 PM   #1
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What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

I've been reading 2+2 for the past year and have vastly improved my game through all the posts. This is my first post and I plan to become a regular poster and be a part of the community.

I would love feedback about a tricky hand that I played last night with a big pot.

1-2 NL, Hero is UTG+2, effective stack ($350)

V1 = UTG+1, effective stack ($250), tight passive player, raises only with big cards but overvalues QJ, KJ type of hands. Plays 2 hands every 30 min. Has played multiple times with hero, in my opinion perceives hero to have a wide range, also seen me over bet on turns with draws to get fold equty.

The hand:
UTG folds, V1 raises to $12(standard raise), Hero calls (J10), everyone folds to cutoff who calls, BB calls.

Cutoff and BB are basic passive players, will call with draws without thinking too much about odds, overvalue TPGK.

Flop: K 94 4 players ($49)

V1 raises $25, everyone calls

Turn Q 4 players ($149)

V1 bets $30, action on me? My thought process was as follows:

With my straight to king, I was afraid of one of the flush draws getting to their draws on the river. I put the CO, BB on potential draws, 2 pairs.

The range for V1 was AA-99, AK - AJ, KQ, KJ, maybe A10, J10.

My straight was disguised so I decided to shoved all in $313, hoping to be called by one of the flush draws or 2 pairs and getting paid. My image at the table also made people perceive that I potentially had a draw than a made hand.

The only hand I lost to was A-10, and even though I put A10 within V1's range, I thought it is less likely especially with my 10 blocker. And on the rare occasion even if V1 has A10, I have an out to chop the pot.

I shove all in, CO folds, BB folds, V1 turns over his cards A10, thinks for 2 min and calls.

The river is irrelevant and I lose most of my stack.

How would people have played this differently? I'd love to get feedback about the biggest flaws in my thinking.

Thanks a lot for your help!
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:33 PM   #2
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

am i taking crazy pills how does AT beat the nut straight
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:37 PM   #3
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

I think I'm missing something here. How does AT beat you? I don't see a J on the board?
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:08 PM   #4
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

Biggest flaw...not remembering a hand well enough to reconstruct correctly? I’m baffled how V got broadway


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Old 10-11-2017, 01:32 PM   #5
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

fold pre
fold flop
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:43 PM   #6
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

I think the turn is a little bit of an overbet but not bad honestly, this card seems to connect with a variety of ranges pretty well so I think you can get paid off here most of the time. You had the nuts on the turn so if A10 beat you it was on the river, but the way you describe your concern I cant tell if you're being results oriented or really misread the board.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:07 PM   #7
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

Sigh fold pre. Your relative position is garbage, there is virtually no chance you'll have absolute position, and you most certainly have a range disadvantage.

Easy flop fold as played.
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:05 PM   #8
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

This hand is a mess. Please repost it with the correct board if you want feedback. I don't buy that the river was his losing card when OP specifically states the river was irrelevant.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:09 PM   #9
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

fold pre, calling flop isnt...terrible. Obviously something is wrong with the board, but you turned the nuts, and yeah id ship this turn with the nuts.

dont post results in OP, although in ts case its nonsense.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:12 PM   #10
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

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This hand is a mess. Please repost it with the correct board if you want feedback. I don't buy that the river was his losing card when OP specifically states the river was irrelevant.


Hey, I apologise for the incorrect post: the following is the link to the correct hand


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Old 10-12-2017, 06:37 PM   #11
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

Hard to pick the biggest flaws since there are so many. Forced to choose, I would say calling pf was the biggest by a fair margin.

The first step is to figure out what are the odds of hitting 2 pair or better pf with your hand. At 1/2 tables, people will call with lots of hands once someone else calls. Your chances in a MW pot in MP to "outplay" everyone is near zero. I'm going to guess that you have no idea up to this point what the number is.

You are 20:1 against.

Keep in mind that with a small pp, you are 7.5:1 against. The villain has a stack of $250, so that is the effective stack. Your extra $100 doesn't matter. He made a $12 bet. That means at best you're barely getting odds if he stacks off every time you hit. Given his range, he's going to miss a fair portion of the time and won't bet every hand. In addition, he's likely to avoid over playing TP with lots of people in the hand.

Therefore, this is a fold. If you felt like you had to play it, it would be better to 3bet it rather than call.

A reason this is the bigger mistake than the call with a gutshot draw and the shove with the straight is that you could avoided both of them if you had just folded. As a player just starting the serious portion of your poker journey, you want to avoid getting yourself in tricky situations which are going to lead to additional bad decision. Make your decisions for now simple.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:44 PM   #12
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

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The hand:
UTG folds, V1 raises to $12(standard raise), Hero calls (J10), everyone folds to cutoff who calls, BB calls.

Flop: K 94 4 players ($49)

V1 raises $25, everyone calls
Why call preflop? .., and on the flop with a gutshot?
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:59 AM   #13
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Re: What were the biggest flaws in my thinking? How could I play this hand differently?

OP made a mistake in the HH. New thread is up with the correct action.
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