Table dynamic: half the table is watching the BCS champ bowl and we are just making fun of notre dame. Decent amount of action due to having a aggro 1-2 player and a 2-5 player at the table, no notably good players, maybe one winning player who's a reg but table is mostly fishy.

Villain 1 - we will call him John. He's old, he's terrible and he calls people down way too light. He was previously in a hand with me on a A68AQ board where I bet, got CR all in and John called with only an A losing to my AQ. He also donks in to original raisers almost every time he misses, he's level one and is pretty terrible, he's also on my right sitting on $380.

Hero - I cover villain 1, I think he has no respect for me as a person, he's a nice guy but whenever I talk directly to him he ignores me and clearly doesn't enjoy my company, we play together once a week or so. Hero has been running like God hitting 2 full houses otr that I needed in order to win against some really passive players. For a while my bets were getting too****ch credit so for an hour or so I'd been raising about 30% and taking down otf but table has caught on.

Action... John open limps, hero in mp limps with 34hh, 1 more limper then both blinds call. $10 in the pot.

Flop... As5s10x checks to JOHN who bets $8, hero calls, player in LP calls and BB calls $42 in the pot.

Turn... 2x checks to john who bets $24, hero raises to $90, bb goes all in for about $85 and John flat calls.

River... 9x and john checks to hero. John isn't a bluffer so if he missed a FD I don't believe it will be possible to get any more value. There's about $310 in the pot, what do we bet?

Why did you call the flop with an inside straight draw and effectively 3 outs?


Bet an amount you think he'll call with a lone ace. Given he called the turn $90 I think he'll call a $150 river value bet

I think preflop is just slightly too loose for me, especially with this small a hand that can make a lot of really good second best hands, and a bit too early (too many people to act behind us, even at a loose passive table, plus we could be OOP to a lot of the table postflop). I fold preflop.

I fold the flop. We have to make up an awful lot chasing our gutshot, I think a bit too much, especially if John can donk flops with air. 1 of our outs is also dirty, and even if it isn't, it could kill our action. Plus we still have one to act behind us plus the EP players to react. I fold the flop.

I raise slightly more on the turn. I like offering poor 2:1 odds, so I'd make it ~$115. This also sets up a ~$270 pot with ~$260 left, so we are able to set up a ~PSB river shove.

The river is a super easy shove. There's ~$310 in the pot and John has ~$280 left, so still less than a PSB so it's not an overbet. If John is calling a big bet, he's calling a shove not that much less (if any at all). He also called a big raise on the turn, he's most likely got a very big hand (maybe even top two who is never folding), plus the only nuttish hand we can have is so unlikely. If he's on a busted flush draw then it doesn't matter what we bet. Shove.

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Maybe I'm dumb, but what is the effective stack? $280? Pot is $310? I think that is probably the optimal bet. I'd opt for max, though. I think you have to hope he can't fold his Ax now. You say he loves to call down light. How is this really that hard a question? Betting something like $100 or $175 likely isn't increasing his calling range enough to justify not getting it all in when he sounds like a station. Plus your image is you're bluffy and the shove seems bluffy.

Do you think John is capable of betting a draw on the flop and turn? That's not how a normal level 1 guy plays. He has something here.

If you raise a little more on the turn the river bet doesn't look so big.

I think against John we have huge implied odds to hit our 3 outter even if we just call a flop bet of $8 I only need to make $140 to make it + ev which shouldn't be too hard.

I can agree with fold pre.

But calling flop with a gutshot / no SD value is ok ?

We're calling 8 with a draw to the nuts with 370 behind. I think our implied odds are more than good enough to make this an easy call. Pre could be a mistake but now that we find ourselves here why would we pass up on this opportunity. Players acting behind us makes it a more difficult call, but we are risking very little if we have to fold to a 3b for a chance to win a whole lot later in the hand.

We have three outs to the nuts. Flop is a fold. AP, tank bet 150 and pray.

Pre & flop are folds.

As played, shove. I'm targeting the top of his range (sets/2pr) and his balls (Ax). It's <PSB anyway.