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01-02-2015 , 09:38 PM

nssan

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Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 4

New guy here so hope to get some wise advice

1/2NL

Hero(me) Button: $375
Villain SB: $550 deep - passive, have not played many hands, saw him all-in a couple of times already but no call/show

5 way preflop limp

I had 78off and board came 3c7h8h, I have top two. Villain bets $10, two (very loose) callers and I raise to $40 on the button. Villain then thinks for a moment and calls. other two folds. Turn, 2s. Check to me, I put $100 thinking to shut it down there. Villain check raises all in.

What should have I done there?

Last edited by nssan; 01-02-2015 at 10:05 PM.

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01-02-2015 , 10:03 PM

wewa925

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Stacking off in a limped pot without the nuts is a sin. Especially with 175 bb. The turn bet is for value, not wanting him to fold. As played, in real time, I probably couldn't fold. Expect to see 33 and reload.

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01-02-2015 , 10:20 PM

jesse123

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Bet smaller on the turn. You've got a big hand and you want some action. If you bet $60 and he still ships, I think it's an easier fold.

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01-02-2015 , 10:20 PM

tmacTheorySSAnne

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Fold, limped pot, passive player

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01-02-2015 , 10:59 PM

nssan

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Thanks, immediately i tanked and thought he is rep set of 3s. but why did he bet out on the flop and didn't reraise me on the flop with two behind?

anyways, I folded. and showed him my two pair, I asked if I was beat, he said no. Only hand I can really beat is 83 which I really can't see him risking his stack for..

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01-03-2015 , 09:34 AM

TheWineGuy

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he's probably got an overpair in that spot, a flush, straight draw, or it may be a cooler and he's got 33, or 77, 88, however a majority of that range you crush, yeah i would definately call, perhaps if he reraised you all in on the flop I could possibly see folding, but the way he played the hand it seems like a flush draw to me.

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01-03-2015 , 10:16 AM

idonkrivers

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Anyone here think this is a straightforward call? He could have as weak as 99/TT or any 2pair that he shoves for value (from personal experience at the local casino for me)

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01-03-2015 , 10:30 AM

pgcounty

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Originally Posted by idonkrivers

Anyone here think this is a straightforward call? He could have as weak as 99/TT or any 2pair that he shoves for value (from personal experience at the local casino for me)

If he's passive, he doesn't have 1 pair and go all in

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01-03-2015 , 11:12 AM

BigBlue56

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Originally Posted by nssan

1/2NL
Villain SB: $550 deep - passive
5 way preflop limp

Villain check raises all in.

What should have I done there?

FOLD. Limped pot + passive player with the most aggressive action = DANGER DANGER

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Originally Posted by wewa925

Stacking off in a limped pot without the nuts is a sin.

This.

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01-03-2015 , 11:16 AM

#10

homerdash

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Snapcall, snapcall AA here too (if you ended up with AA the same way here, not that I would advocate that at all)

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01-03-2015 , 12:54 PM

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amadison04

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I curious as to how long you had been playing with this guy. The answer of passive makes a big raise = danger is ABSOLUTELY true. But the description of the guy doesn't sound passive to me. He's now gone all in (as a better with no calls) 3 or 4 times? Hard for a "passive" player to do that that frequently in my opinion. He seems tight but not passive based on your description.

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01-03-2015 , 12:59 PM

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solo319

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Yeah this isn't a passive player at all, maybe passive in how he plays pre but def not post flop...sounds like you should call here. He could play 33 like that but I don't think it's likely. Anyways if your beat..reload sounds like this guy is ready to get it in most hands post flop if he has a piece.

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01-03-2015 , 01:04 PM

#13

iraisetoomuch

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2 things:
If he's been all in a few times since youve been at the table and its less than 2 hours, he is almost certainly not as passive as you think.

Im calling here against someone who has been all in a bunch recently. We can see 83/73, 65hh, 9Thh, 54hh, and a few combos of overpaid often enough.

Note: if he has not been all in before now, this becomes a fold readless.

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01-03-2015 , 09:56 PM

#14

mtagliaf

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we don't bet to "shut it down", we bet to get worse hands to call or better ones to fold.

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01-03-2015 , 10:18 PM

#15

au4all

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

2 things:
If he's been all in a few times since youve been at the table and its less than 2 hours, he is almost certainly not as passive as you think.

Im calling here against someone who has been all in a bunch recently. We can see 83/73, 65hh, 9Thh, 54hh, and a few combos of overpaid often enough.

Note: if he has not been all in before now, this becomes a fold readless.

Agree with everything, especially the part in bold.

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Originally Posted by mtagliaf

we don't bet to "shut it down", we bet to get worse hands to call or better ones to fold.

But I think this is way more important. Hero created this situation because he didn't have a good reason for what he did.

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01-03-2015 , 10:48 PM

#16

macktyson

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Originally Posted by amadison04

I was thinking the exact same thing, maybe description of player is off, that's what it sounds like to me.

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01-04-2015 , 05:08 PM

#17

tmacTheorySSAnne

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Dont assume crazy v's gii light unless he shows us

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01-04-2015 , 10:37 PM

#18

kekeeke

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Originally Posted by nssan

He lied. This is just like when players show 1 card to make you think they bluffed you and didn't have a good hand, they always have a good hand. Someone who thinks "he's awesome" and is proud of his bluff shows both his cards.

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01-04-2015 , 11:08 PM

#19

zica

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Grunch:

"passive, have not played many hands, saw him all-in a couple of times already but no call/show"

So he has shoved twice in the last 15 minutes and this is his third shove and he's passive? Or do you mean he's passive pre and apparently jammy as F post?

If this is his 3rd shove in 15 minutes I'm not thinking about folding. If he just happens to have pocket 3's and running ultra hot so be it.

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01-04-2015 , 11:20 PM

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LordRiverRat

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Originally Posted by nssan

anyways, I folded. and showed him my two pair, I asked if I was beat, he said no.

LOL cause that obviously means he was telling the truth. I lie all the time about my hand to either tilt villains or make them think my range is different from what it really is.

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01-04-2015 , 11:25 PM

#21

javi

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sounds like hero's reads are all off. Regardless top 2 on a drawy board that hasnt connected yet is the nuts. He probably put YOU on a draw and wanted to "take it down now". That or he felt there was some FE between your $100 bet and what he could jam with. Anyway trivial snap call. No live fish is gonna 1/5 pot a set on a suited board and just call a raise. He'd probably blast out $100 on the flop or at the very least 3bet you.

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01-05-2015 , 12:44 AM

#22

mikko

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Over pair.99-QQ Make up huge part of his range. And see them routinely over played post flop. After limping pre.

I am not folding Top 2 here ever.
Study the game a bit more. Try to understand your $100 bet (bit excessive) is for value. And you want callers. You don't want to end this hand now. You want to extract value from flush draws and straight draws plus Top pair hands (and any other hands low limit players call with).

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01-05-2015 , 05:32 AM

#23

nssan

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Originally Posted by javi

i agree your analysis at the end there but if he believed that i had a drawing hand, wouldn't he just check call me with a bluff catcher hand if no flush or straight connects? that would be a less risky move imo than all in

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01-08-2015 , 08:12 PM

#24

javi

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Originally Posted by nssan

No, fish dont understand the logic behind value, they are just afraid of being outdrawn. Most live players will bet to "protect their hand" and just "happy to win whats in the pot right now". They failed to learn that "nothing worse can call" when they bet 5x pot on a drawy board, since quite honestly worse hands often DO call which stunts their growth as a player and thus they overbet in spots where they think they are only up against a draw and when a set or two pair busts them they just consider it unlucky and that they had no choice but to jam.

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