Hero - been at the table maybe 30 minutes and have **** image. Long haired MAWG. 2nd hand call 6 raise with 7,7 in bb. Flop 5 ways. 6,7,10 rainbow. I lead for 20, 2 callers then dude in pokerstars hoodie makes it 55. Hoodie has been lamenting his tourney bust out on second hand when his AA gets cracked by kk. Hero shoves and hoodie calls his remaining 130 and scoops when 9 comes in hitting his j,8 gutter ball.

V MAWG on monster stack, not active at all in my short time at the table.

Random EP raise 10, 4 callers including v (900ish) on button
Hero (280) bb with black queens 3bet to 40
4 callers (yikes!)
Flop (210) 8,7,7ss
Hero leads for 125
Folds to V, thinks for a bit then raises enough to put me all in.

WTF does hero do now?

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Gross spot.

If the 77 was your only real hand thus far, I doubt you have a **** image.

PF is too small, there's already 50 in the pot before your action. I would've gone 60.

As played, gross as it is...I think we are willing to go broke here and call. KK+ is shipping pre. V has shown willingness to gii with draws.

The pot is too big to fold at this point. You should know this before you cbet though.

We only have 115 behind to win a pot of $690. We need to be good less than 17% of the time. I prefer a slightly larger raise pre just because the number of initial callers already in the pot.

Need to clarify. V in this hand is not same as pokerstars hoodie from my image description.

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Given the pot size we can't really fold this to anyone. If it makes you feel better any hands that sucked out on you on this flop should have folded to your raise preflop.

Gotta call.

60% of our stack is already in, 115 more to win 690, we have pocket overpair with higher PP not likely, and there are very few combos that smash an 877 flop after H's $30 pre flop re-raise. Most likely V has two spades.

Grit your teeth and call, and if you're behind maybe the poker gods will award you a Q on the turn or river to make up for the gutter suck out that stacked you earlier.

Yeah, unless V is the nittiest nit who ever nitted, you have to gii here. 99/10101/jj will all make this play, so will a lot of sooted hands.

Bloated pots are weird. Your hand plays great against his range in this one.

Grunch:

I call off here. No way I'm laying down now I've got more than 1/2 my stack in the middle. Not to mention this is a fairly coordinated flop that can cause villian spazzing out, thinking they have FE.

FWIW I make it $60 to go and if the same callers come I stuff the flop. We get called by 7's but smaller PPs, SD's, FD's, an 8 that thinks you whiffed AK, etc etc.

I would make it $70 on the flop. with 40, each has to put in only 30 more into $80 pot. This is the classic harrington, u raised enough to tell everyone u have an overpair, then you let them have pot odds to bust you.

Agree with others suggesting bigger 3 bet pre.

Results...
Hero looks at villain for a minute, says you have pocket 8s and calls anyway. Villain turns over his 8s and hero doesn't hit his miracle 2 outer for buy in #2.

Buy in #3 went down in flames 45 minutes later when my pocket aces aipf turns a set and is beaten by red queens when the river brings a fourth heart. Cruel game sometimes.


Consensus ITT was that I had to call it off here given the small stack to pot ratio I'm left with. I've been in similar situations before where I just know what he's got, but the math against range makes me call anyway.

So question; how often do y'all forget thinking about a range a go with gut decision "I put you on X,X and therefore I fold"?



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3 bet bigger pre, especially being OOP. No way I'm folding here. Probably see 88-JJ here a lot, flush draws and A7.

That's results oriented because you had a bad session and were tilted. He had 88 but his range is wider.

We gota be adjusting baby, pre get the 1 or 2 callers u need for the hand

You should always consider the math. In this instance I expect villain to have us beat with trips the majority of the time. However, it's still more profitable to call than to fold. You would be making a horrible decision to fold in this spot because you think he has it, even if the majority of the time he does have it.

That being said, sometimes you can fold hands getting incredible pot odds. However, you do so by ranging your opponent and considering pot odds. Sometimes there may be a possible flush draw or straight draw or 2 pair hands that you have beat but when you really consider the action you may be able to eliminate a lot of hands that you initially thought were in his perceived range that actually weren't.

Bigger pre. I like 55. AP sigh call.

we should be calling here if we decide to bet OTF.
i would raise it higher though.

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