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04-15-2019 , 12:40 PM

Dunamo

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 623

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$1k effective

Hero MP open 9 ♠️9♣️
$25

Hero image - winning, couple strong showdowns, 1 weak losing showdown, frequency maybe a little high on opens and cbets

BTN(Villain) calls $25

Villain TAG Reg 40 something Asian,

BB calls
Pot $75

Flop 2 ♣️4♦️8♠️

BB checks
Hero bets $40
BTN calls, BB folds

Pot $155
Turn J♣️

Hero bets $75
BTN calls

Pot $305
River K♣️

Hero checks
Villain bets $225

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04-15-2019 , 12:57 PM

Garick

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,521

Check turn. As played, fold river. What do you think that you beat that called flop and turn and bet an overcard river that completes a FD?

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04-15-2019 , 01:21 PM

sixsevenoff

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

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Originally Posted by Garick

Check turn. As played, fold river. What do you think that you beat that called flop and turn and bet an overcard river that completes a FD?

I get that there aren't many busted draws, but what on earth beats us here besides BDFD? What is villain repping?

Also, I like a turn bet. I'd tend to think this turn favors our range.

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04-15-2019 , 08:51 PM

KID777777

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Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 869

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Originally Posted by Garick

Check turn. As played, fold river. What do you think that you beat that called flop and turn and bet an overcard river that completes a FD?

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04-15-2019 , 09:38 PM

Garick

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,521

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I get that there aren't many busted draws, but what on earth beats us here besides BDFD? What is villain repping?

KsXs, maybe some JsXs.

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04-15-2019 , 10:49 PM

Pipedreamer101

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 348

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Originally Posted by Dunamo

2/5

$1k effective

Hero MP open 9

$25

Hero image - winning, couple strong showdowns, 1 weak losing showdown, frequency maybe a little high on opens and cbets

BTN(Villain) calls $25

Villain TAG Reg 40 something Asian,

BB calls

Pot $75

Flop 2

BB checks

Hero bets $40

BTN calls, BB folds

Pot $155

Turn J

Hero bets $75

BTN calls

Pot $305

River K

Hero checks

Villain bets $225

Check/shove river imo. Would play KK/JJ the same all 3 streets. Him having a hand like Ac5c/Ac/3c makes a ton of sense though. If this is to high variance for you, check snap muck.

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04-15-2019 , 11:05 PM

Koss

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Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,098

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I get that there aren't many busted draws, but what on earth beats us here besides BDFD? What is villain repping?

Also, I like a turn bet. I'd tend to think this turn favors our range.

What do you think villain is calling flop/turn with? We block 98. 87? Why is he bombing it on the river? Villain looks like he backed into some 2-pairs with KJs, flopped a set, or runnered a flush. I'm not seeing a lot of worse hands that call the turn bet.

I'm on the fence on the turn bet. The J isn't a great card for our range or our hand. It's sort of a blank but brings in a BDFD, and could connect with some of the hands villain floated the flop with. I still think we're ahead of his range on the turn, and 99 can still benefit from a bet, but once he calls a bet and that river hits, I'm done with the hand. River is a clear x/f.

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04-16-2019 , 02:39 AM

barney big nuts

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Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 1,991

I'd bet turn sometimes and sometime I'd c/c
river is an easy c/f

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04-16-2019 , 03:07 AM

llpkr

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Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 2

The diamond and spade wheel draws with a flopped BDFD (A3 and A5) would fold to turn when clubs come in. Same for 56 and 67 flopped GS if not clubs so I don't think he has those bluffs on the river.

His value range comprises all 12 combos of flopped and turned sets and probably 4 combos of pair plus BD club draw 45cc, A4cc, 78cc, A8cc. You block 89cc. 8Tcc and J8cc unlikely from a TAG. Potentially he can have 2 combos of KJ suited with backdoor equity on the flop but less likely for him to float there with a player behind.

Easy x fold. He doesn't have enough bluff combos for your hand to be good here to make the call. He has a whole heap of value hands.

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04-16-2019 , 09:58 PM

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Dunamo

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 623

Thanks for all of the insight. We did fold. My gut was screaming call, but in the moment I couldn't find his bluff range.

I think in the future I like checking the turn, and check/calling decent size river bet. For balance and to protect my range.

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04-16-2019 , 10:20 PM

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jdr0317

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I personally like the turn bet. This board clearly favors us. The jack isn’t a particularly scary card for 55 or A4 or T8 or whatever to keep calling on as well.

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04-17-2019 , 12:36 AM

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oldsilver

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,941

i like the turn bet

if you're looking for a bluff range from V then include all wheel draws worse pp but especially 56 which was a double gutter otf

can be convinced to call river if V has sufficiently high bluff freq in such spots - but you should be close to snap calling before this is true

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04-17-2019 , 02:31 AM

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Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

flop and turn fine.

river is obv x/f

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04-17-2019 , 03:53 PM

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joe412

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Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 64

I don't see what he is bluffing with. I would play 8Xcc like this. 65cc? A3cc?? It looks like back door clubs or random bluff. I don't see how it could be a set and this is a tough board to have 2 pair as played. Sucks to fold there but sucks even more to see that he called you down with AKss and hit a king lol

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