So playing these private games in thailand at the moment and the fish are very sticky pre and post. For example

Blinds 25/25/50 and action goes limp limp limp i make 400-500 and they just call with random crap. They also don't fold to 3bets for example

25/25/50 fish opens 300 and will pretty much call any reasonable size 3b.

Now my question is what do we do with suited connecter type hands like 54s 67s 87s 98s t9s JTs etc, do we 3bet these vs sticky fish or just stick to strong/medium holdings like AJ+ 99+.


Example hand

25/25/50, fish raise 200 another fish call fold fold i on btn with SC do i just fold given it really hard to bluff them or call because our hand plays good multiway?


any comments are appreciated, if you need any more info lmk

I would almost never raise preflop. Never bluff. See flops cheap because you can often build a big pot when you hit. Against very sticky fish, you have great implied odds. Bloating the pot preflop gives you less great odds.

In this sort of game don't raise with connectors. See cheap flops and bet hard when you hit the flop hard. Raise with strong value hands and a few medium connectors/pairs as bluffs. From a pure EV perspective you might not need any bluffs at all preflop but from a practical one you may want some if you want invited back.

How many flops depends on stack sizes and how many pots are raised. If the games are deep and few hands are raised you can see a lot, if stacks are short and pots are raised you might not get to play any.

Definitely +1 here.

What you think i should do when stack sizes are about 5k eff and its 25/25/50 and some one raises to 200 or 300 and 1/2 fish call and i in sb or btn with sc?

Personally, I would call most of the time. OOP, I would avoid the smaller sc's though. It can be very tough when you make a baby flush OOP.

As to why to fold sometimes, I can't say outright. Only about 30% of my game is GTO, the rest is exploitive and that comes from experience and a gut reaction. You have the experience, use it. When you find your gut is telling you wrong, change it.

World of difference playing SC on the button and in the SB. You likely have some big leaks in your game if you think they are roughly equivalent.

As such, you should fold them since you're not likely at the stage where you can win a hand without hitting the flop. I personally would fold the SB and call with the button.

5K with a 50 blind is 100BBs. That is neither deep or short so you need to have a compromise strategy.

Fold all of the suited connectors from a small blind if the hand is raised. If it's raised small and there are a couple of calls you can call sometimes from the big blind with the better suited connectors. If it's limped you can call with the better ones and some of the time with medium ones, still drop the low ones.

From the button you can call with all but the worst suited connectors if it's limped and occasionally with good ones if it's raised. The button and other late position seats are much better for calling raises. Suited connectors play much better with position because you get to see the action and then decide what you want to do. At this sort of game you should mostly be calling/checking until you hit a good hand and then bet hard. But if nobody seems interested on the flop then semi-bluffing your strong draws is good strategy.

Preflop play with suited connectors is hard to explain because you need to consider stack sizes every hand. If somebody with a short stack opened or stacks are shorter on average then you need to be tighter. If you have a deep stack and somebody that is deep stacked opened then you can play a little wider.

Cheers guys, I have been doing most of what you're saying calling otb folding sb etc

I was having a discusssion with a friend who said you shouldn't open SC from UTG-CO he said it's just too hard to play post and you don't hit often and when you do it's tough to realise equity.

What you're thoughts on this?

What do you do with SC in UTG-CO vs sticky fish, I can see how opening UTG can't be profitable but from HJ and CO it just can't be bad can it?

Not talking about 54s type hands more so the 98 T8 J9 JT 87 type hands,

I don't see how it could be unprofitable opening these in the HJ or CO when it's been folded to us

Open limping is a reasonable option.

Limp if stacks are deep enough to hit your card on the turn or river cheaply

Never call a raise.

Never raise yourself.

SC are very overrated when there is no fold equity at any point.

^^^ "No fold equity" is key.

Also OP SCs as you call them are not all equal. JTs is easily good enough to open raise in MP on this table. I'd fold 54s on the BTN to a raise on this table. JTs is more a "suited broadway" than a "suited connector".

I will say that in the exact scenario OP mentioned (deep stack on the button with callers in front), it’s perfectly reasonable to call a regular sized open and try to hit something. Just be prepared to not put a lot of money in without two pair or some big time draw equity. And when I say big time, I don’t mean like flop of 763ss holding 98hh with no BDFD. I mean at least something like a disguised straight draw w/ BDFD, like T73r with a heart.


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There's no way to be sure, but I bet you're losing in these spots.

Yeah it’s hard to tell. I know upswing recommends playing these hands in these spots from the button. There’s a lot of power in acting last on every street


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Likely extremely situation dependent. Stacks, opponents, your own likelihood to make a major mistake with a combo draw etc.

I’m saying all this as someone who at the table still plays them more than I should. I’m probably losing.

I feel like it’s an important lesson here, though. Lots of people are pretty overconfident in their “postflop” abilities, both weaker and stronger players. Preflop remains the most important street, no matter what


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