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Are these just coolers, or should I be folding bottom boat? Are these just coolers, or should I be folding bottom boat?

08-22-2018 , 03:32 PM
1/3 live NL

HAND #1:

Hero: newer/avg. reg. (likely perceived as TAG)
Villain: 30 yr. old attractive female, very serious-looking, tight image at table, appears to have solid fundamentals. Have only played 1 hour with her.

Hero (BB) $250
Villain (BUT) $300

EP open for $12, BUT calls, SB calls, Hero (BB) calls with 55.

Flop: ($48) 885
SB: bets $20
Hero: calls
EP: folds
Villain: calls

Turn: ($108) Q
SB: bets $40
Hero: calls
Villain: calls

River: ($228) 2
SB: X/fold
Hero: Bets $90 / calls all-in
Villain: All-in

Villain shows (Quads) 88

HAND #2

Hero: same (But, this hand happened just minutes after Hand #1. Could be perceived to be on tilt, but don't think I was.)
Villain: late 40s reg. Have played a total of 8-10 hours with this player. Seems slightly on the loose-aggressive side. Plays a lot of hands pre-flop and have seem him bet some thin value.

Hero (BUT) $280
Villain (UTG) $245

Villain opens for $15 (standard size at table is $12 - $15). 2 EP callers. CO calls. Hero calls with 22. Blinds fold.

Flop ($79): AQ2
Villain: bets $25
EP1: calls
EP2: folds
CO: folds
Hero: calls

Turn ($154): A
Villain: bets $50
EP 1: folds
Hero: calls

River ($254): 3
Villain: check / raise all-in
Hero: bet $ 100 / calls all-in

Villain shows AQ
Are these just coolers, or should I be folding bottom boat? Quote
08-22-2018 , 03:37 PM
what´s runout in hand 1?
very likely fine, shoving river myself though once sb checks.

hand 2 same, shove river.
once he c/r you are usually beat and might exploitably fold, but some villains play AK this way, so...

just 2 coolers.
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08-22-2018 , 03:43 PM
H1:

I'm ok with preflop.

I'm fine with flop.

If turn card brings more draws I can see more argument for raising, but I'm fine with it otherwise.

With only a 3/4 PSB left on the river we should just be shoving it ourselves. Pretty coolerish, not sure we should be doing anything other than going broke on most runouts at this stack size.


H2:

I'm ok with preflop.

I'm ok with flop.

I'm ok with turn.

With only a 60% stack behind we should be shoving the river ourselves. Again, I don't think we're going to be able to get away from our hand here.


I'm fine with both hands except I think we should be shoving the river ourselves (no difference, I go broke both times). And while I'm fine with preflop, this does illustrate a very important aspect of setmining that most people ignore when computing IO: we can still lose flopping a set, and when we do with these stack sizes in a multiway raised pot it almost always costs us our stack.

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08-22-2018 , 03:46 PM
Sorry, sauhund, I fixed Hand #1. Runout was Q 2. Yes, in Hand #2, I thought villain could easily play AK, AJ, or maybe even other aces this way.
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08-22-2018 , 03:57 PM
Run better. River is a shove in hand 2. Hand 1 raise turn and hope that one of them has 8x.
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08-22-2018 , 04:04 PM
100% coolers. You would have to be so much deeper before you could even consider folding these.
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