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Old 09-16-2018, 01:08 AM   #1
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What am I repping here?

Typical $1/$2 game in Vegas on a Friday night. Pretty touristy.

Effective stacks are about $200.

V1 is a young white guy. Limp folds a lot. Looks pretty new to the game.

V2 is a 40-something Asian woman. She has been getting slapped around pretty good, but also seems pretty bad.

V1 limps UTG. I raise to $12. Standard sizing. V2 calls from button.

Flop 10 8 5 with two spades. UTG donks $20. I call. Woman calls.

Turn off suit 2. UTG leads doe $25. I call. V2 calls.

River 5. Now UTG checks. I bet $75 and both fold.

I thought later that this was a very bad play by myself.

What am I repping here?
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:12 AM   #2
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Re: What am I repping here?

Thinnish value ten. JT, QT
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:22 AM   #3
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Re: What am I repping here?

Unlikely trip 5's on river or something like AT.
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Old 09-16-2018, 01:38 AM   #4
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Re: What am I repping here?

77+, t9s+,jto+

Of course you could slow down with some of those hands but on this run out might also turn them into a bluff or go for thin value

But you would fold kx, ax with bad kickers if you raised them, a8/a9 normally as well

Kq,kj might also fold the turn

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Old 09-16-2018, 01:47 AM   #5
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Re: What am I repping here?

Two overs of spades, 77-99-JJ and some weakish TP.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:21 AM   #6
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Re: What am I repping here?

Bet makes no sense.
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:05 AM   #7
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Re: What am I repping here?

Busted flush draw a lot of the time, or AT trying to get worse T to call. As pfr, you shouldn't have too many 5s, and sets and overpairs otf would not just call with the draws out there.

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Old 09-16-2018, 06:45 AM   #8
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Re: What am I repping here?

Doesn't matter. If you're bluffing and they've got fold buttons, nice bet. I'd go 100 tho.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:04 AM   #9
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Re: What am I repping here?

You're repping a pair. The other two had draws. If you are bluffing, I'd make it more like 100 as stated above. If you had TP or an OP, then I'd check. Nothing you beat would call. If you had a monster, you should have raised the turn.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:46 AM   #10
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Re: What am I repping here?

u raised pre
flatted a flop bet
flatted a really small turn bet
bet river
Ax spades


AA KK QQ JJ or 10 10 should have raised turn
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:17 AM   #11
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Re: What am I repping here?

Grunch

You look like you have busted spades or decent TX, maybe QTs/KTs. Everything else raises turn or just checks behind river (like T9/99). Given most of your draws that flat turn are AXss they probably also check behind on river expecting to occasionally win at showdown Vs busted straight draws and lower FDs.

So basically just TX.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:48 AM   #12
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Re: What am I repping here?

I don't see any reason to check back an OP on the river here. If you're bluffing or had a huge hand (FH or binked A5), I would have gone 100, but on the flipside, if you were betting AT/KT/QT/JT, or JJ for thin value, I would have bet smaller, like 25-30% of pot.

Never betting 77/99 here unless I'm attempting to turn it into a bluff, since V2 could easily have called down multiple streets with TX.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:19 PM   #13
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Re: What am I repping here?

u r reppin airball. Luckily your opponents suck.

Seriously, dude leads for 20 on flop 2 callers then 25 on the turn (which is almost 1/4 pot). If you had anything of value you would have raised the turn cuz that bet was weaksauce
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:44 PM   #14
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u r reppin airball. Luckily your opponents suck.

Seriously, dude leads for 20 on flop 2 callers then 25 on the turn (which is almost 1/4 pot). If you had anything of value you would have raised the turn cuz that bet was weaksauce


It was kind of my thinking that the turn bet was weak sauce and he was gonna check river.
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Old 09-16-2018, 03:29 PM   #15
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Re: What am I repping here?

ATx-JTx and A5 if the 5 on the board isn't a spade.

JJx-AAx
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:28 PM   #16
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Re: What am I repping here?

whats our pos?

0 bluffs just a lot of thin value I think, how thin? depends how bad you think v's are.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:34 PM   #17
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Re: What am I repping here?

At the time I really thought I played this hand poorly but I guess I didnít since so many of you would fold.

If he made a better turn bet I would have folded.

I had AK off and they both folded.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:55 PM   #18
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Re: What am I repping here?

Nice.

It seems like the V who is betting has 8X or 5X and caller is drawing or has same. I guess they thought these hands were kind of only worth a couple of $20 bets. Clearly their pairs call another same-bet on river.

Interesting that you really didn't have to very big to get folds.

Do you think they'd have got suspicious and found a call with 8X if you'd gone bigger?
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:12 PM   #19
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At the time I really thought I played this hand poorly but I guess I didnít since so many of you would fold.

If he made a better turn bet I would have folded.

I had AK off and they both folded.
I'd usually check back with a hand that strong AP. (would consider blasting the turn though)
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:18 PM   #20
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Nice.

It seems like the V who is betting has 8X or 5X and caller is drawing or has same. I guess they thought these hands were kind of only worth a couple of $20 bets. Clearly their pairs call another same-bet on river.

Interesting that you really didn't have to very big to get folds.

Do you think they'd have got suspicious and found a call with 8X if you'd gone bigger?


No. My size was about half pot and based on the turn I thought it would look bigger than it actually was. $1/$2 players have a tendency to think in real dollar amounts, not necessarily in relation to the pot.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:20 PM   #21
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I'd usually check back with a hand that strong AP. (would consider blasting the turn though)


We lose to any 10 and I felt that I could get them to fold with that sizing. See above a little.

Curious why you would blast turn? Is it because we should often be raising our value range as I believe Squidward said? I sometimes will flat flop and turn with an overpair here but not too often.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:25 PM   #22
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Re: What am I repping here?

You're absolutely right about low stakes players thinking in absolute dollar amounts. I'm usually too chicken to pull this kind of move but often sorely tempted when I know they likely have 2nd pair- or weak top pair at best.

I think this line gets more folds than you'd expect because it also meshes perfectly with the trappy approach inexperienced players take with their strong hands: they just call to the river then try to get a modest amount of value whether it's a min-raise or half pot bet.

I'm going to make a note to try this next session. It's such a cheap bluff that if it works regularly its low risk and super profitable.
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:29 PM   #23
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I had AK off and they both folded.
There's a pretty good chance you had the best hand.
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Old 09-18-2018, 07:52 PM   #24
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At the time I really thought I played this hand poorly but I guess I didn’t since so many of you would fold.

If he made a better turn bet I would have folded.

I had AK off and they both folded.
No one in this thread is getting to this spot/dynamic ap so people saying they would fold as either v or think you are going for some form of value does not really mean much.

I think this play vs these villains is not good unless you have some very special reads that we are unaware of.

Do we have a spade? Out of curiosity, what other hands are you playing this way? At what sizing are you folding ott and otr? Just trying to figure out what your plan was.

When guy who limp folds a lot, limp calls and leads 2 streets I would like to think you are up against a better part of his range. That plus being oop on another lady seems poopy.

I think the absolute value of bets goes both ways here. In the same way your river bet can be big relation to dollar amount and be enough to, in your opinion get enough of folds, the limp call fish 1/2 pot donk into 2p + 1/4 pot turn into 2p bet most of the time does not indicate weakness. Not only that, but in the same way you can argue absolute value of bets I think an equally large portion of llsnl fish while they cant see they only need to be good 23% of the time, they do see the 275 in the middle.

Based off this I do not like your line and would most likely fold otf unless you have some good reasoning behind the line you took which could make it ok.

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Old 09-18-2018, 09:07 PM   #25
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Re: What am I repping here?

A weakish ten or busted draws mostly

Would not expect you to be at the top of your range here as you raise flop on a wet board with overpairs,sets/2p so this means your range is fairly linear. If I was v I would fairly temped to look you up with any type of SDV as all draws brick
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