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Old 02-07-2012, 08:54 PM   #1
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Well: "A Fistfull Of Dollars" (the MWNN spares the innocents)

You can call me stampler,
but I'm really the man with no name. (MWNN) (I'd prefer to keep a low profile).
stampler is just what i go by around here.
I borrowed 'stampler' from the name of the game we played in a homegame
before i discovered NL.
Stampler, the game, is an Omaha hi-lo version of Black Moriah (stud hi-lo), where if there's no low on the board,
the highest stampler (black pointy suit) in the hole, gets half the pot, so scooping is a little harder, but can still be done.

I'm originally from Texas, but started playing poker (not counting as a kid for nickels and dimes), at casino San Pablo in Norcal @ 10 years ago. (whats the sayin'? 'you can take the boy out of Texas...'?)

I had injured my knee surfing, and the waves were so unbelievable that day, that I didnt want to get out of the water.
when i finally did, I had to crawl from the beach back to my truck.
funny how adrenaline and endorphins can decieve the mind into thinking that everythings' fine, just because you would prefer it to be fine.
it's also funny to think that if my knee hadn't buckled while doing a big bottom turn that day, i wouldn't be here.
i guess you can say I "fell into" poker, quite literally. LOL.

I'm an individual with a restless nature, a rambler; and I have an active mind, and was goin' stir-crazy being laid up. I couldn't work, or play, and was losing it. (my mind, that is).
No tricks or sports. *sigh*.
A buddy (thnx, bro), dragged me to San Pablo for a diversion. 3/6 limit HE.
I remember hitting a flush (i knew enough to know what a flush was, anyways), w/ a T4cc hand, and then getting berated for winning when i didnt even know what posting a blind was. I racked up that moment. I didnt like being teased, and i didnt want to give them the satisfaction of winning their $ back.
I guess i was a nit from the get-go, but,
I guess I was hooked, too.

A Grindbler was born. (grinder+gambler)

I got invited to a local home game, because i knew everyone (from outside of pokers, obv), and got exposed to the other games (except for NL, LOL)
Omaha, Pineapple, Stud hi/lo, Buy-a-Boat, other variations (stampler).
One girl had been a dealer at the Oaks forever. (the older dealers there like 'Money' remember her), and we used an old octogon shaped wooden Pan table that was a hand-me-down from the Oaks club.
it was heavy as hell, and it sucked when we had to move it. (had it in the backroom of a local bar for a while, until that got shut down by the cops (the bar owner was a reg, and we played after hours).
I can remember them playing at Landsdale Station, down the street from here, as much as 20 years ago. Back then, I was always told that they would fleece me like a sheep if I played, and I had listened. (more run goot)

In retrospect, I think learning the other games has helped me immensely,
even in HE (a stupid sucker game IMO).

I would still play 3/6 HE at San Pablo, and i began to notice the (1/2 $4 to go) 100 BI NL game.
It seemed like sick sick gambling to me, and a huge game; way over my head.
(you could lose a rack ($1 chips, LOL) in one hand. OMG.)
I had been a chef all my life, and had perma-burned out on that, and started to work in the trades (plumbing).
I had a logical, and mechanical mind, had a good work ethic, and worked hard, (thnx Dad), and was making more $ than i ever had. My a-hole boss told me once "youre as smart as me, my wife, and my other employee put together". I wondered what the hell I was doing helping him line his a-hole pockets?? apparantly, I was'nt that smart? LOL.
I used to have to contribute rent for my family when i was in high-school, working as a cook. (on weekends, worked together with my band-mates).
I had never known of a dollar that wasn't hard earned.
maybe thats why i've always viewed playing the game as earning, and not 'winning'???
maybe that's why i've had to struggle against one of my biggest leaks??: feeling entitled.

the other day, in Vegas, a guy who i know there whos been grinding poker his whole life, and has never even had a job (he's 55, and has more than 10 years on me) asked me if I'd ever seen the TV show "Dirty Jobs";
I said: "No, I've lived it." LOL.

maybe thats why i'm a nit??
Theres no way i'm going back to banging my knuckles crawling around in rat-piss under some rich ppls house. (mansions are just as nasty as a shotgun shack underneath).
Having been a chef may sounds glamourous, but don't be fooled. ( i've worked in 3 places in SF voted top 10 by the SF Chronicle that year, including Gary Danko, where i suffered my final culinary nervous breakdown while working 70-80 hour weeks),
it's a Dirty Job. and foie gras grease is no different than any other grease.

So, anyways, back to the story; I started playing the NL game, and soon realized that it was a cake walk.
I could'nt believe my eyes. It was as easy as receiving gifts for christmas; sitting in that game.
Now i realize that i ran good just by stumbling into a bunch of drug dealers trying to piss away rack after rack after rack until day break, and in having the patience to wait until i figured I was getting paid, and then play a hand.
I didnt know squat about poker, but I had common sense, and that was a secret weapon, apparantly, against this line-up.
I'm not saying i didnt run good. I always had AA vs. KK, and never the other way around for the first few years. I thought that that was 'business as usual'. Now i'd like to think I know better, having had nightmare-runs. (who has'nt??)
I could have as easily ran just as bad as i did good in the beginning, now i recognize, and been out of the game in no time. C'ya!

over the next period of years, kids were becoming OL geniuses,
and building monster rolls. (post moneymaker/ Party daze)
in the meantime, I had no idea that OL poker existed, and I remained sucky at the game. (hopefully not at the game of life, tho).
I was focusing on working the summers to make enough $ to go to Mex for the winter to spend it surfing and fishing. I was in early retirement.
sometimes I ponder my fate, and think "what if".
What if i had had a head start on learning the fundamentals of the game along with the OL kids?
I've only started to get a handle on that over the last 4-5 years, when i decided to take it seriously, and subsequent to when I approached someone I knew was a winning player, and hit him up for coaching, and he said 'ya'.
I had merely seen him make a play that had really impressed me.
then again, I've always had strong intuition thats helped me out of pinches before.
Looking back, this was a lucky draw, too, because he ended up being a good source, who himself had good sources. dumb luck on my part?? there is bogus coaching out there (beware).
also, he turned out to be a quality individual, which i'm realizing now is sadly hard to find in the poker world. <<<I run goot.
Another lucky thing was that he didnt require that i pay him. (lately he's been hinting that he would appreciate some form of pay-back besides a golf-club, or an occasional green fee for all his time, LOL.)

if theres only one piece of advice I could offer to folks out there in LLS, it's this:

>>>get a real poker friend.<<<

the board is great, but dont use it as a crutch.
no one here, regardless of how qualified they are, can substitute for a real poker friend (or coach).
If the board keeps you from seeking out, and finding not a virtual friend, but a real one, then i'd say that it's downright destructive for you, even.
Good advice handed out at random doesn't always serve you, even if it is good advice. the timing is important, and your friend, (or coach) knowing you, and your weaknesses, and strengths, is essential to your progress. Otherwise, your playing LOTTO with your future, IMO.
Think of LLS as a supplement to your studies, not your studies' life-blood.
it's the icing on the cake.
If you eat the icing only, everyone knows you'll get a tummy-ache. LOL.
Your poker-friend doesnt even have to be that much better than you, just make sure they really have your back (and vice-versa).

More to come. more auto-biography (unless i'm boring ya'll)

Now, i'd like to establish the ground rules for this "well".>>>

it's not about stampler, afterall, it's about poker mind-set, and the poker life-style, and being a poker player, and what that means.

1] it's a Mum Poker thread (if you don't know what that is, get the Tommy Angelo materials and report back)> no mentioning suits, ranks, or streets. period ITT. if you want to defy Mum poker at he tables, GL, i just hope its not at my table. LOL. don't do it ITT, please.
You can discuss mindset topics there til the cows come home without 'talking shop'.
Obv, this implies no HHs. they are'nt allowed here.

2] We will be breaking down "A Fistfull of Dollars", a Sergio Leone film starring Clint Eastwood, as TMWNN, as a template for what to strive for whilst pursuing winning poker (and winning dollars).
and then put it back together.
I will post a new part of the movie when the discussion about the last one has abated.
This gives the thread an epic dimension, while still guaranteeing that there's an end to it.
the again, there's always "For a Few Dollars More"...???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odmKx22eILw

The Baxters = the nits

The Rojos = the maniacs

"that crazy bell-ringer was right; there's $ to be made in a place like this"
(ie. squeezed between the nits and the maniacs)

at 2:00 >>> 'which one of the two is stronger??'
TMWNN doesnt fear anyone, but wants to know what he's up against.
he doesnt want to single out the strongest (Ramone Rojo)in order to start a pissing contest, but to know who to best avoid for now.
If theres easier pickings, take them.
a mountain lion knows he's the most bad-ass animal out there, but still tries to protect himself when need be. after all, by protecting himself, he protects his livlihood. TMWNN, like a mtn lion, makes his living as a killer, and you can't kill if and when you get hurt. (tilted). caution is the hallmark of a predator, and is a strength, not a weakness, as it may seem to the casual observer.

theres ^^^ enough to start a discussion, but i've got more concerning part 2.
(part 1 is mostly credits).

thnx for reading.

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Old 02-07-2012, 09:18 PM   #2
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Re: Well: "A Fistfull Of Dollars" (the MWNN spares the innocents)

at 2:30>>>

"I gotta tell you, before you hire me,
... I... don't ...work...cheap..."

ie. get max value.

send a message that when you play a pot, youre prolly gonna really play it hard.
that's your style, professor.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:25 PM   #3
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nice.

so you play full time for a living, or..? play online as well?
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:33 PM   #4
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I'm just a gun slinger, (or tryin' to be).
let's leave it at that.
TMWNNs' private life is his business.
I don't work cheap, if that's what you're asking??

the rake is too damn high.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:36 PM   #5
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How do I find a real poker friend at the casino. Do I just say "Hey can I get your number?". I have never asked anyone poker related can I get your number, always wanted to do it but feel kind of weird.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:37 PM   #6
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Good read....thanks for sharing a bit of your life's story. very interesting and respectable intro to your biography
Reading this kind of reminded me of Huckleberry Finn tbh...I don't know why?
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:46 PM   #7
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Good read....thanks for sharing a bit of your life's story. very interesting and respectable intro to your biography
Reading this kind of reminded me of Huckleberry Finn tbh...I don't know why?
My Moms family is from New Orleans?

she just recently told me that her older brother (an uncle who i never met, RIP)
used to travel around Louisiana and Texas playing poker, and was able to buy cars and boats as a result. had a high IQ.
My aunts, and her, considered him to be the black sheep, and hardly ever spoke about him to me.
he lived hard, and was a womanizer; well, I had heard that part, LOL.
poker? no mention before now.
wouldn't want to give me the wrong idea, I imagine??
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:49 PM   #8
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How do I find a real poker friend at the casino. Do I just say "Hey can I get your number?". I have never asked anyone poker related can I get your number, always wanted to do it but feel kind of weird.
PM someone here on the board that you trust/ have an affinity with?

most ppl you will run into in casinos suck at poker (thats why we play there), so that may be a bad gamble, unless you run goot (like me)

if you find yourself discussing poker, and HHs at tha table with someone whos game you respect, theres an oppurtunity!!

step away from the table, and discuss hands there, please!!
get an email, or a phone #. text, whatever...

theres gotta be someone like you around who has the same goals that you do.
(hopefully not too many, but enough that you end up spotting someone.)
there are also coaching listings around.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:56 PM   #9
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Yeah I have one guy in mind, he is a winner. I just don't want to come off as a fan or something. I always say hello but that's it.

I don't know how he thinks about the game. But your probably right we won't be able to talk poker if he doesn't know the lingo.

That's the only sucky part about it. What if I get his number and I find out he really isn't that good.
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Yeah I have one guy in mind, he is a winner. I just don't want to come off as a fan or something. I always say hello but that's it.

I don't know how he thinks about the game. But your probably right we won't be able to talk poker if he doesn't know the lingo.

That's the only sucky part about it. What if I get his number and I find out he really isn't that good.
cliche: nothing ventured nothing gained>

ask TMWNN.
what do you think he would say?

you gotta stick your neck out, and take some chances to *profit*.

if you can gain without taking risks, then, i didn't get that memo.

you gotta get in there and gamble, in life, and in cards!

If it doesn't work out, make a mental note, and try again!
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cliche: nothing ventured nothing gained>

ask TMWNN.
what do you think he would say?

you gotta stick your neck out, and take some chances to *profit*.

if you can gain without taking risks, then, i didn't get that memo.

you gotta get in there and gamble, in life, and in cards!

If it doesn't work out, make a mental note, and try again!
Ty, lol.
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Pho or Hot and Sour soup?
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:07 PM   #13
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Stampler since your old school. What is your thought process now days when reviewing a hand you played? Are you a sklansky bucks/Gbucks?

How has the live game changed from playing only pairs and ak strategy to now?

Do you think the sit and wait for hand is a good strategy? Or actually thinking and putting your villains in tough spots?
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:27 PM   #14
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I think I know who this is. I was a Prop Player at San Pablo on the day shift. We hardly played together as I was solely assigned to Limit, but you was always friendly to me (if it's who I think this is). Anyhow, I'm in Vegas now, drop me a PM.
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Ty, lol.
disclaimer:

you are reading a 'well' by someone who sucks at pokers.
this is LLS pokers. (think GLL)

like anything, take it with a grain of salt. utilize critical thinking, and
rely on your own intelligence, be original yourself;

if I sound preachy, it's just cuz i'm fired up about what TMWNN would do in my eyes.
If you look more closley, you will see that TMWNN is every bit the bad-ass
as the 'bad guys', and then some; just as ruthless; and perhaps even more avaricious?
but then you'll notice that theres another difference...

???
later...
off chasin' silver dollars
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Do you play only cash or do you shot take tourneys?
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Do you play only cash or do you shot take tourneys?
The MWNN, as I recall, doesn't work cheap.
He works for cash on the barrelhead, as we shall see.
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Yeah I have one guy in mind, he is a winner. I just don't want to come off as a fan or something. I always say hello but that's it.

I don't know how he thinks about the game. But your probably right we won't be able to talk poker if he doesn't know the lingo.

That's the only sucky part about it. What if I get his number and I find out he really isn't that good.
Don't want to steal stampler's thunder in his thread (I stampler--you seem like an awesome character, buddy), but don't worry about this. There is a young hispanic kid playing in my regular game who is pretty solid. I wanted to offer him some advice, but didn't want to intrude or insult him. Then, finally, one night as he was racking up I called him aside and had a word with him.

A few nights ago, he came by my table and asked to chat while I took my next smoke break, and now I have another poker buddy whose game I respect as easy as that.

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as a reminder,
this is what you can mention ITT,
and what you can't:

[x] games
[x] stakes
[ ] suits
[ ] ranks
[ ] streets

it's kinda a way to force you into taking the macro view.
to examine what the hell we're even doing playing this crazy game without having to get into all the gory details...

what does anyone think about part 2 of "a Fistfull of Dollars"?

to me, the entire film is about poker, and provides lessons about playing the game, about being TMWNN.

I can keep going, but wondering if anyone else had some observations?

what about when TMWNN asks for 3 coffins, and in so doing so makes a miscalculation??
goes to show you that you don't have to beat yourself up for not making the perfect play, if you still made the optimal one.
since it's a game of incomplete information, it's to be expected that we're going to be off sometimes.
see how he shrugs it off as he adds +1 to the undertakers order??
another day at the office.
Executing doesn't have to mean getting it right that exact time, when overall, in the same situation, you would have been right the majority of the time, to the extent that it's still going to be profitable play in the longrun.
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Do you play only cash or do you shot take tourneys?
I've played 2 tourneys in the last 3 years or so.
both in PLO 8-or-better.
I couldn't pass those up, that's all. (i'm a degen, and theres too much dead $)
I'm not chasing any rainbows,
but may still be found following the tourney circuit at times, anyways.
*profit*
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I understand not wanting to talk strategy/hand histories at the table, but isn't there a trade-off between the negatives of that and the positives of developing a poker friendship, learning from each other, and spending time at the table critically thinking about the game?

At the room I play, there is one reg at the 2/5 games I talk to a lot at the table. It's almost always detailed hand discussions or concepts we've read about and how we've been implementing them at the tables. We always wait until we're sitting at the same end of the table if not right next to each other. We speak quitetly enough that at most two other people hear what we're saying. To me, the value I get out of it is worth it relative to a fish getting a little education or a more thinking player understanding how we think about the game. Once in a while, another thinking player we respect happens to be sitting near us and gets drawn into the conversation as well.

If we didn't talk at the tables, we probably wouldn't have a chance to talk very much at all because he spends meal breaks with his wife, we'd rather not step away from the table and miss hands for very long (it's a time-raked game), etc. Do you think it's possible that developing this poker friend at the table could outweigh your rule on being mum at the table if the alternative is you probably wouldn't talk much at all?
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Stampler,

I like a well by a hustler who is admittedly no poker god. This obviously takes lots of skills that are rarely spoken of in Strat Forums, like money management, game selection, and most importantly self-knowledge (tilt-controll).

Speak a bit to the selection of games in your area, what your general buy-in strategy may be. If you ever use stop-loss to determine your quitting decision. Duration of sessions. Bankroll...these kind of questions...

Thanks
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Stampler,

I like a well by a hustler who is admittedly no poker god. This obviously takes lots of skills that are rarely spoken of in Strat Forums, like money management, game selection, and most importantly self-knowledge (tilt-controll).

Speak a bit to the selection of games in your area, what your general buy-in strategy may be. If you ever use stop-loss to determine your quitting decision. Duration of sessions. Bankroll...these kind of questions...

Thanks
Interesting...

Speak upon the bolded. Is that how you would describe your game? I do believe there is that game/style and the other game/style.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:19 AM   #24
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Stamps,
Being The Man With No Name seems to have its advantages. Like instead of being a person with the label "Bob" or something, he is simply an instrument, or maybe more like an animal, or an insect at his business. A bee doesn't really care what you call him, he has no existential conflict, and he doesnt even really care if he dies -- he plays his role, goes after his pollen, makes honey, and stings motherfroggers who try to get in his way.

What I've taken from this is the notion of: maybe while I'm at this poker table I'm not Jason, I dont have any personal desires or fears, I'm just the embodiment of solid fundamentals, exploitive play, and +ev decision making, and maybe the occassional snide remark ("Get three coffins ready... Oh my bad, four coffins"), that kind of thing.

Maybe u can speak to this a bit.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:01 PM   #25
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Re: Well: "A Fistfull Of Dollars" (the MWNN spares the innocents)

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