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Old 09-05-2016, 09:21 PM   #1
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Weirdo Donk Bet

I'm in hyper-loose 1-3 game. Villain, MAWW is to my right and has been donking with regularity and calling light for hours. She's reloaded several times and has abt 200. Other three players are gambooling with regularity, all with 100-200. Button straddles for 6. Both blinds complete to 6. Villain is UTG +1 and limps for 6. I (cover all) raise to 20 with TT. All four call.

Flop (100) is AKKr. Blinds both check. Villain donks for 20. Hero?
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:31 PM   #2
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

His most likely hand is a weak ace. If you think you have a handle on his style you can try a bluff raise to make him fold it, but it is a pretty marginal play. I'd probably just fold and move on.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:40 PM   #3
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

Raise bigger pre or l/rr if straddle or the players behind have a tendency to raise wide/squeeze.

Now, you got a bloated 5-way pot with an AKK flop. Even if the Villain does not have an A or a K, it is very likely at least one of the other players does. And in a game like that with shallow stacks, pushing players off top pair is a recipe for disaster.

Fold and next hand.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:50 PM   #4
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

Pre-flop is way too small. A pot-sized raise is $36. I'd go at least that, or more if players at the table are sticky and willing to call even more.

This is a terrible flop for TT 5 ways. Anyone with any Ax/Kx has you crushed, and you have no valuable information about the hands of the other three players left to act behind you. I'd just fold.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:53 PM   #5
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

Pot was 24 when it got to me. Why would pot size raise be 36?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:08 PM   #6
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

You should add what you need to pay to call to the pot before figuring the raise. So your putting in $6 and making the pot $30 and then making a pot sized raised. So your total bet is $36. Not so important to get the size big enough in this pot because the pot is already bloated with straddle money but here you have several very loose players who have already invested money. To get any FE you need to go big.

I would mostly just give up on this flop. If you can read villain's donk bet as a weak ace, are confident you can bet/raise them off it and read everybody else as folding you could make a play at this pot. It's marginal at best.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:25 PM   #7
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

I did fold, as did everyone else. I considered raising to 100, but mucked.

What made me consider it was that I would sending 100 to get 120, with no intention of investing another cent, barring a 2-outer T. I could safely rule out her having AK, because she didn't raise PF. She would have to consider whether my RR after a PFR raise meant that I had AK. if she has a random K, so be it.

Just trying to figure how often my RR takes it down. Also, if I did RR what's the right amount? I'm wondering if a smaller RR, say to 75, would be even moreffective, as it would look like I was encouraging a call.

If either blind slow played a K, so be that, too.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:40 PM   #8
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

You said she's been calling light for hours. I got the impression she may not be folding a hand like A7 to a raise?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:45 PM   #9
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

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I did fold, as did everyone else. I considered raising to 100, but mucked.

What made me consider it was that I would sending 100 to get 120, with no intention of investing another cent, barring a 2-outer T. I could safely rule out her having AK, because she didn't raise PF. She would have to consider whether my RR after a PFR raise meant that I had AK. if she has a random K, so be it.

Just trying to figure how often my RR takes it down. Also, if I did RR what's the right amount? I'm wondering if a smaller RR, say to 75, would be even moreffective, as it would look like I was encouraging a call.

If either blind slow played a K, so be that, too.
Anything other than a fold would be a bad play after having 5 players see that flop. Regardless of what everyone had this time around, most of the time 1 of the other 4 players will have an A or a K.

Here's a simple lesson on how to size preflop raises. Suppose you like to 3x when you are the first to open a pot in cash games (I 4x in 2 5 and 5x in 1 3 and 1 2 as a default). In that case, it would be a raise to 18 with no limpers. Then, if there's 1 limper, you make it 24, if its 2 limpers you make it 30 and so forth.

If everybody folds and you take $24 uncontested, its not the worst result.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:47 PM   #10
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

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I did fold, as did everyone else. I considered raising to 100, but mucked.

What made me consider it was that I would sending 100 to get 120, with no intention of investing another cent, barring a 2-outer T. I could safely rule out her having AK, because she didn't raise PF. She would have to consider whether my RR after a PFR raise meant that I had AK. if she has a random K, so be it.

Just trying to figure how often my RR takes it down. Also, if I did RR what's the right amount? I'm wondering if a smaller RR, say to 75, would be even moreffective, as it would look like I was encouraging a call.

If either blind slow played a K, so be that, too.
why would you re-raise with AK (AA or KK, etc.)?
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:40 PM   #11
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Re: Weirdo Donk Bet

Like an early thread of yours, do you want this preflop result? Cuz that's exactly the type of result you're going to get with a lol $20 raise in a straddled pot with 5 limpers in the pot at a super loose table. With these stack sizes varying from $100 to $200, lets call that $150. So I'd be attempting to get stacks in preflop or on the flop. If we raise to $50, that's leave us with about a PSB left for a flop shove (on average HU). So that's what I'd do. ETA: Actually, if any of the real gambloors have just $100, you could also easily argue for a shove preflop (as I'm guessing stacks up to $100 go in real easy preflop, amirite?).

As played, I'd probably just fold the flop. Simply too good a chance 5ways that someone has an A or possibly a K.

ETA: The pot is $100 on the flop and the average remaining stack size at a super loose table is $130. Ax is folding exactly 0.0% of the time, and thinking otherwise is really bad thinking.

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