Was playing in a super passive 1/2 game. I had been pretty active, probably raising about 25% of my hand in the last hour. Villain 1 raises in MP to 10 and Villain 2 calls. I elected to call with 9d 8d from the cutoff. Villain 3 on the button min re-raises to 20, both Villain 1 and 2 call so I call as well.

Flop comes 3d 7d 8c

Villain 1 and 2 check and I check planning on check raising Villain 3 who min re-raised. I thought villain 3 would c-bet as he had c-bet every time he had raised this session that I could remember, however he checks and we see a turn.

Turn comes 9s. Villain 1 leads out 15 and Villain 2 calls. I decide to raise to 50 and Villains 1 and 3 fold. Now villain 2 re-raises to 115. He has only about 120 left behind. I have no reads on him because he has only played a little more than one orbit and I have not seen him show down a hand.

Do I fold now? Call the turn and hope to improve? Go all in now? I honestly don't think my hand is good. However, I don't know if I will get paid off if I hit. Thoughts on turn action is appreciated. Also, thoughts on flop check raise plan are welcome as well.

So on the flop, there is 80 in the pot, right?

And when you raise to 50, there is 110 in the pot before your raise.

After your raise, there is 160 in the pot.

After V2's reraise there is 260 in the pot, and you have to call 65. So you're getting 4-to-1 direct odds.

If you shove and villain calls, you're putting in 185 to win 380, just over 2-to-1.

He's committed to the pot, certainly, and your 13 outs (about 2.5 to 1 drawing odds) are probably entirely clean.

His range seems hella narrow at JT or 56, given the slowplay and then the re-raise after your raise. I may be too passive but I'd probably call and hope to hit, and hope he checks with any worse hands on the river. You don't know if you're getting paid if you hit, but you probably are, and your direct odds are very, very good right now...and they won't be if you shove.

I call because I know if I hit, I am good. He is never raising the turn with a better flush draw, so we have to basically narrow his range to a straight or a set. We have 4 outs to hit our boat and 9 diamonds, so I am taking the river with these pot odds. I usually don't let math dictate my course of action, but here it is profitable to call given the odds.

Now you should ONLY call here if you have the ability to lay your two pair down if you don't improve and he fires again, unless of course you feel you are good. But you said you don't feel like you are good on the turn, so my play is to call, try to hit out hand, and if we don't, puke fold it.

First, I would have lead out on the flop. On the turn, i am never folding. More likely I would shove. If I had no reads and the villain made this kind of move on the turn I would more likely believe he's drawing. I dunno, that's what I would think at first.

Never folding top two with a flush redraw. U have 4 outs to A boat as well as potentially 9 outs to a flush draw. Even if villan has the nuts u need to be calling just based on odds and the fact that you could be good although doubt full. A simple way to calculate your pot odds are to figure out your outs and double them and add about 1-2% to your total. I like a flat call with the intention of stacking off on any improved river and possibly even on some not so scary rivers that don't bring 4 cards to a straight etc

I wouldn't plan on check raising a min raise in a 4 way pot with this board texture. Don't expect him to follow through....on this one even if he has on previous hands...as they were different spots with different boards etc....that being said I am not sure that leading is the best play. I am more just saying don't assume because he c-bet frequently previously before you can count on a check raise....

A lot of times people do this in live low stakes games with mid range pairs like 77-1010, or even crappy suited aces or dumb drawing hands to try to "sweeten the pot" as dumb as that sounds I see it all the time. Clearly he's not trying to thin the field as no one is folding to his min raise (other than the blinds).

Anyway-I think you should lead for 45 because I think that there are plenty of other stupid draws out there and even some X7 type hands, mid pairs like 55, 66, that we are ahead of that we can possibly get value from, and there aren't many hands we are crushed by where we really have to worry about being raised and then not having enough equity to call.....

as played I think it's def a call. Your outs should all be clean and if a 9 or 8 rolls off river you still probably get the rest against JT or even 56. A diamond maybe not but you are getting the right odds to call on the turn anyway so you don't need the implied odds.

Call and hope to bink the river.

huh?

I think we really need some villain tendencies and the stack sizes to fully answer this question. Here is what I think.

This is pretty much a dream flop for your suited connectors. I don't like a check raise here because the PFR only min raised so I don't think he is that strong. I would lead the flop for $65. If the preflop raiser comes over the top of you I think this is what we want and should be happy with him raising.

On the turn your raise is horrible in my opinion. What are you trying to accomplish with this raise? The pot is $110 before the raise and with the raise its now $160 and only $35 more for the two callers to call. You are laying them great odds of roughly 5:1 to make a call for the first caller and if he calls it will be roughly 6:1 for the second caller to call. This is great direct odds to chase almost anything. As played I would call the turn since a third of the deck is good for us.

I think you avoid this situation if you take the initiative over on the flop and it would almost set it up to jam the turn depending on the stack sizes.

Really don't like checking the flop here to check/raise. I'd rather lead out.

LOL at folding the turn, please pokerstove this for the love of god. 65 more into, what, 115 + 50 + 15 + 80 = 260? You have to have 20% equity here

Just math right? I think we can take fd's out of V's range. Maybe something like T7dd or JTdd, but most likely just straights? He's not coming in with any other 2pair combos, maybe another 98. So 260ish in the pot, 65 to call, over 4:1 and we're about 2.5:1 to hit so we have odds even without IO. The only hit to our 2.5:1 odds would be if we have a worse fd like I mentioned at the start. But we'd still have 8-9% to boat, so I doubt we become worse than 4:1 dogs if we factored that into V's range also.

Needed a good laugh.