Hero in BB with QQ main villain is UTG , new to table smells like alcohol ~360 effective hero covers
Utg straddles to 6 MP2 calls Button calls sb calls
Hero Raises to $35
Utg calls MP2 calls button folds Sb calls pot (140) to flop
Flop:
437
Sb check Hero bets $70 UTG calls everyone else folds
Pot (280)
Turn
A
Not a horrible turn, still beating a lot of hands here so I elected to bet 90 with the intent of bet folding. UTG flat calls.
Pot (460)
River
8
I check and villain jams about $150
Hero ??

I would go $40-$45 pre flop.

This isn't the best flop, we are at a serious nut disadvantage, and I haven't ran it through a calculator but I'd assume we only have a small range advantage overall here. Both villains have every set and 65s. I'm checking this flop. The combos I do bet on this flop, I'd go bigger.

I don't think we can really bet-fold for such a small amount. This turn has gotta be a check or shove just with stack sizes. Even though this card connects well with our range, I'm probably just checking as played, given I don't think we can get any better hands to fold or worse to call.

River is gross facing a 1/3 pot bet knowing we don't beat anything. I seriously can't think of one worse hand that takes villain's line. Fold.

I don’t really agree with this. not many people are calling 35 preflop with 65s and 44 33. KK and AA would have 3bet me pre most likely, or raised themselves. As for as nut advantage I think I have all the AA KK and QQ maybe even 77, I’m beating 88 through JJ with 1 diamond and block KQ of diamonds only hand I should be afraid of is Ax of diamond but the ace of diamond hits on the turn. Unless he has exactly j10, k10 kJ of diamond right ? Plenty worse hands will call imo.

Hero gets 4-1 on the river call. Hero is ahead enough to call here.

That said, you cannot play QQ multi-way like this. It’s too tough and we’re out of position. So more preflop as mentioned by six seven off.

As played, I don’t think we can cbet into this many ranges on this flop. We have to try to get this HU or at most 3-way pre.

People are stations and will limp-call to set mine even if the IO aren't there, same thing with suited connectors. I would just limp along 77 here because of how stationary villains tend to be. I would expect JJ and TT to raise pre for the most part, but even if they didn't, exclusively targeting 88-JJ with a diamond and hoping they'll call is way too thin.

As far as nut advantages go, the nuts getting 77, 44, 33, and 65s, we are definitely at a disadvantage considering we only have maybe 77.

Once people have limped $6, they are incredibly likely to call the $35 raise, especially as more and more people call in front of them. I wouldn't even be surprised to see hands like K5s etc. Hands like 65s and 33/44/77 are well in play here. I agree no one has AA/KK here. Nobody has TT/JJ here either or we would have seen a raise preflop, 88/99 at best.

I am fine with checking the flop or betting the flop. Not only hands that are beating will call you, there are plenty of hands that will call that are behind. I would definitely bet on the larger side though, .75% pot or more. This board is so wet that I am going to make any draw pay a hefty price to continue. Taking the pot down now is plenty fine. I'd probably bet something around $100 - $110 on this flop.

A lot of the hands that call the turn are pair+ straight draw, flush draws, or some sort of hybrid flush/straight draw. When the diamond hits the turn, you should check. Pretty bad card to continue on, even with it being an Ace. Betting this turn, you will now get folds from almost all hands that you are currently beating and will get called by every hands that you are behind. Any random two pair hands, flushes, straights, they are all calling this bet. Hands like pair+gutshot, they'll most likely fold now and the amount of times they fold doesn't outweigh enough the times they call and have you crushed.

Also, you now have the Queen high flush draw and you want to realize your equity as much as you can here for as cheap as possible. No reason to bet as you are behind if called and increasing your losses. Betting also makes it likely that you get shipped on which is very unfortunate.

Check/Evaluate the turn is far and away more profitable.

I think I’ll wait for more to post

What hands are we beating?

Some serious button clicking going on here...

I'm guessing this is 1/3? Pre is fine imo, you could definitely go a bit bigger, but I don't really mind 35. On this flop with three opponents, I wanna check and see what happens. if I bet, I bet bigger than half pot, that's for sure. But let's just check.

As played, on the turn there's no room to bet/fold with the second nfd when the guy has 240 behind and the pot is 280. Just check and see what happens. I'd check/fold if he shoves, he's most likely not turning hands you beat into a bluff.

Pre is fine. $40 is OK, but $35 is fine.

Flop you need to go way bigger to charge draws or check, but I'm betting and I'm betting at least $100.

As played, turn is a check or a shove. I probably check/evaluate.

As played, ugh. I don't even know what I'd do, but I wouldn't be here. Probably just fold, but it's gross.

It's a sigh call. The price is so good. I would definitely bet more on that flop though.

Its 3:1 not 4:1.

Zero chance I fold to someone who smells like alcohol.

No, it's 4:1. So we'd need to be good here 20 percent of the time.

I think this highlights my biggest errors in the hand the most, flop should be larger I was basically giving any draw perfect odds to call
Turn I played abysmal check evaluate for sure, never should be betting here.
River is a check fold (probably?) but the price

Results:
I basically checked called the river out of sheer frustration on how I played the hand leaving myself no room to fold. 4:1 150 to win $700
He said I missed and flipped over 8c6c , so everything you all were saying about preflop is true.
I don’t expect to be good here very often

This as well very thought out and correct for the hand

“Pre is fine” Gets one fold. Flop goes 4 ways. LUL

Pre is not fine. Must be bigger. Idc if you’re Phil Ivey, playing QQ OOP 4 ways is not gonna be a good time.

Like the flop bet. Even a little smaller wouldn’t hurt.

Just go all in on the turn when villain has less than pot left. He would’ve raised his value on the flop. So only bad AX hands get there, which is unlikely.

I overbet the pot pre I’m just not sure people are folding to a $40 or 45$ raise very often if they are calling a 35$ one but maybe I’m naive.
If I raise to 50-60 I’m likely going to hate most of what happens next with QQ because I’m basically forcing my opponents to play correctly

If you go bigger and their range stays the same, then keep going bigger. That's part of the nuance of live poker. That's how you maximize profits. You profit getting HU vs a stubborn KJo type hand that didn't come to the casino to fold, flops a jack, and stacks off because the pot is too big.

Yeah I think you’re right in limit you make 100$ from getting 20$ from 5 people but in no limit you make 100$ by getting HU against one.
I’m going with I should make it 45+ pre
Betting 75% pot on flop and check/evaluating turn most likely call and fold to a shove

$35 pre is fine. It just happened to get three callers. If it had gone heads up, everyone would be fine with the $35. If the hand had been, "I raised to $40 and everybody folded," well, we wouldn't be here, but the response would be, "Don't raise so big pre." LOL.

Now, if OP knew he was going to get three callers, then he should have gone bigger, but he obviously wasn't expecting it.

Except he did get 3 callers and he said in a comment that he thought their ranges would be static up to 45... and my initial comment was directed at people saying pre was good.

Hard to say what is fine and what isn't fine without some experience playing in the actual game, in regards to the preflop raise size. I don't think anything is wrong with raising to $35, but I would definitely keep this in mind next time I am in a similar spot and raise to $40. If same result, then next time $45. If still get 3-4 caller, then $50.

Eventually I'll find the sweet spot of 1-2 callers and use that number. If hero knew he was going to get 3-4 callers at $35, then yes he should have sized up bigger. But in a vacuum, $35 PFR is fine in this spot. As long as he adjusts and next time increases the PFR raise size, he is not making an error.