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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Among other things, stacks are deep enough that a well-sized 5-bet is not going to be a jam.
There's no 5-bet size that is reasonable other than a jam unless you think 5-betting to half of effective stacks is reasonable.
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
The real danger with big pairs with big SPRs is the wide range of implied-odds hands that can see a flop or continue to a flop bet and score big when they get there. Making the pot bigger pre makes the hand easier to play post.
That said, there is an argument for keeping the pot small: we have absolute position, and big SPRs amplify the power of position. We may want to flat the three-bet with our entire range so as to be able to play in position with a range that the villain may not realize is actually uncapped.
But fearing to get it in pre with a 280 bb stack is crazy talk.
Is your criticism that we shouldn't be unhappy about getting 280BB in or that not wanting to get 5-bet is a bad reason not to 4-bet? We're not printing EV vs. any non-maniac's 5-betting range here. We're certainly not happy about it and at best we have a marginally +EV sigh-call.
Not wanting to get 5-bet isn't alone a very good reason not to 4-bet. If that's what you're saying I agree with that. However I do think it is a reason to prefer flatting this hand over something like AA that prints money with preflop coolers. If villain has 5-bet bluffs that reduces the EV of 4-betting QQ compared to someone who doesn't, and the effect is slightly greater than it would be at shallower depths due to the poorer odds we'll be getting. At 100BB we could just value jam and stack JJ/TT type stuff, always realize our equity when we're behind and never lose EV from facing a 5-bet.
