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09-01-2017 , 04:09 PM
Playing $1/$3 nlhe.

Have seen villain open shove all in pre with AQo, AJo, and KQs (on the button). She's kind of a maniac but also has a huge, huge stack (around $900), so I want to play against her. My stack is at about $450, and she's the small blind in this hand.

Hero is dealt AsQh on the button.

Folded around to the hero who makes it $10. Villain raises to $35. Hero calls.

Pot: $73
Flop - QsJs5d

V checks. Hero bets $55. V calls.

Pot: $183
Turn - 4c

V checks. Hero bets $120. V tanks and raises all in. Hero ???

Here's my thought on the situation: value. I was betting for value pretty much every street, and wanted to make her really pay to draw. She's too much of a maniac to not play a set super aggro, so I take that out of her range.

I wasn't really sure what to put her on when she 3bet. It could have been anything, really. She seemed to be playing a lot of middle suited connectors so that was mostly where I put her, something like JT or T9. Pocket pairs are certainly there, along with AJ+.

When she shoved the turn, I certainly thought it was a strong ace and she was trying to get me off my hand. I was basically playing face up that I had a big ace, so I'm not sure on her line here if that's what she thought I had.

Thoughts?
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09-01-2017 , 04:36 PM
Looks pretty much fine tbh. I bet smaller otf without reads that she likes to x/c Jx and weak Qx. Else I think her range on the flop is total give ups and traps. We don't know either way though.

Turn is meh. It's like $220 more to win a lot. The problem is it's hard to find bluffs for her or value hands tbh. We block AA and QQ and the NFD. I probably call it off and lose to QQ. It's close.

Live reads in this spot are very very useful btw.
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09-01-2017 , 04:56 PM
I might just limp in preflop. If she's open shoving light then no reason to tip her off when we have a decent hand. With no one else in the pot but the BB, we pretty much iso her by limping anyways.

Anything to make of the fact that she's open shoved bigger stacks (I'm assuming?) with meh-ish Ax/Kx hands and has now 3bet us to a callable amount? Real tricky spot with these stacks, one's that I'm guessing we'd be quite uncomfortable getting it in with her preflop. FWIW, I'm not exactly sure I'd label her a complete maniac for getting in AQo/AJo/KQs; maybe overvalueing, but it's not like she's doing this with ATC like a true maniac. We do have position, but it's kinda a meh spot preflop to a 3bet (another reason I'd rather limp so calling a single raise preflop with a more disguised hand and more room to figure out what's going on postflop), *unless* we're happy with getting it all-in.

Smallish SPR of ~5.5, in position, against a 3better, I might just check back this flop. I'm assuming we don't have much of a handle on her range, but are we just going to stack off here if she wants to get it in? How are we doing if she does? Is she capable of spazzing if we show weakness? Flop is a bit drawy, so we're not exactly WA/WB, but we're kinda close to it. But it also depends if we feel committed with our TPTK too.

The danger in facing a player who can go all-in at any moment is that we have to be very careful with opening the betting on any street *if* we're not comfortable with getting it all-in. If we're comfortable with getting it all-in, fine, go ahead and bet for value and call it off. But we've taken a pretty strong line here (we raised preflop and bet this board both on the flop and turn), have committed a bunch of our chips, and yet she seems like she's pretty cool with getting it in; unless we're up against a real maniac, this is kinda meh. Really read dependent on our opponent, and I'm not sure your intended read of complete maniac is coming across in your description.

ETA: The main part I'm having problems with is that I've played with maniacs and I would pretty much snap get it in versus them at any point here (including preflop), and yet nothing in the description of Villain (and the hands she's getting it in with preflop) suggest to me that she is in the same true maniac category of villains I've played with.

Gtrickyspot,imoG
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09-02-2017 , 08:08 AM
Stupid dumb spot here, I think it's a fold though....
Pre- make your open bigger, maybe 15....
More info on villan but l/rr could be good here pre....
Flop is fine
Turn bet is fine, but now we have to raise, she qj here almost always Imo.
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09-02-2017 , 08:20 AM
Fold and get shown qq/jj

I'm not sure why you're putting her on a draw, when was the last time you saw a chick 3bet kt or 9t ever?
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09-02-2017 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SAAP
Here's my thought on the situation: value. I was betting for value pretty much every street, and wanted to make her really pay to draw. She's too much of a maniac to not play a set super aggro, so I take that out of her range.
Assuming her hand is either too strong or too weak to continuation bet, what do you think you're getting three streets of value from by betting?

Why do you think she'd check/call and not bet or check/shove a draw? By the way, you block most of the draws.
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09-02-2017 , 10:41 AM
I am snap calling, villans like this have such a huge spaz range that you dint even need to worry about their value range because a medium strength hand crushes them so often.

She could have a hand like AK/AT and she tanks because she knows shw should fold, and then convinced herself to spaz out with a gutshot and overs.
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09-02-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by au4all
Assuming her hand is either too strong or too weak to continuation bet, what do you think you're getting three streets of value from by betting?

Why do you think she'd check/call and not bet or check/shove a draw? By the way, you block most of the draws.
Weaker hands than mine, clearly. Draws, something like AJ or JT, maybe KJ as well. I wasn't prepared to give her credit for anything until she shoved. She hadn't been betting her draws, just check/calling with them, so it was more of a live read than anything else.
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09-02-2017 , 02:41 PM
Tank give her utter look of disgust and fold ur just always behind or coin flip with a draw
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09-02-2017 , 02:42 PM
Would rather have a flush draw then AQ to call here
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09-02-2017 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by flopturntree
Would rather have a flush draw then AQ to call here
You would rather have a flush draw than a made hand? Why?
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09-02-2017 , 04:07 PM
Because with your made hand your behind more often then not and sometimes drawing dead but with a flush draw you can still win
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