game is at crown melbourne, effective stacks are like $500

v1 (utg2) asian, doesn't seem to speak english too well. she's been at the table for an hour and has like a 99% vpip (folded one hand to an open shove). barely understands the rules of the game, hand strengths, anything. saw her call 2 barrels oop with KTss on 2369cc or something, doesn't understand when the action is/isn't on her, throws in limping chips even when there is a raise and gets confused when the dealer makes her throw in actual calling chips. classic live whale, you get the picture.

v2 (btn) seems like a live reg but is pretty bad. calls too often pre, pretty average postflop, standard stuff. seen him make a couple of bluffs (in the above hand vs KTss he was the one barrelling, he had like J8cc or something, missed and checked back river. got pretty tilted when he saw her hand lol)

anyway

utg limps, +2 (whale) limps, i make it 20 with QQ, btn overcalls, utg calls, whale calls.

pot 80, flop 7x7c2x, checks around i would bet here sometimes for protection/value but given the texture i thought it was really hard to get called by worse and planned to bet all non A or K turns if checked to

turn 6c, checks to me i bet 50, btn calls, utg folds, +2 (whale) call standard, i think. maybe a little small

pot 230, river 6

+2 checks, i check, btn bets 80 into the 230

i plan to snap this off when it gets back to me because based on what i've seen he can definitely have bluffs there (heaps of club combos, straight draws etc), plus his sizing is such that he would never do with a 7 (he would bet a 7 on the flop anyway). i guess he can have a 6 but i'm not too worried. then +2 calls. i'm like wtf. now i'm getting like 5:1 on a call (400 in pot now) but i don't really see what she can call with that we beat. however, based on earlier in the session i know that if she had a boat she would have led it (saw her x/c x/c then lead-shove river on a 678xT board with a 9x hand)

what's the play?

oh yeah note that +2 has a 0% pfr and 0% limp-fold

If the whale calls anything semi-reasonable preflop, just make it like 30-35 pre to play heads up with the whale.

I don't see why the clueless whale calling changes anything at all. She has any two cards by your description of her. Just as likely to be holding a deuce as anything else.

i don't think she has atc upon calling, have seen her fold postflop a few times. but don't really know what she can have to call with here. you're right tho it's probably a snap

Bet flop. BTN has a bunch of pairs in his range and +2 might call with a wide variety of hands.

As played we are pretty underrepped, getting 5:1, btn can have missed draws or blockbetting thin value, and you expect the whale to lead out with nuttish hands. Seems like an easy call.

Not betting flop against a whale who called two barrels earlier with K high seems downright silly.

On river, calling AP. we don't win a ton of the time, but probably enough to make this profitable.

Will whale call a $50+ raise preflop (i.e. 10% of stacks setting up a trivial SPR spot on non A/K flops)? My guess is that she will, so I'd do that. At loose fish/whale tables, we really should be taking advantage of the fact that we can get away with stoopid lol raising sizing preflop with our premium hands; throw "standard" out the window, imo.

Thanks to our too small raise preflop and getting multiple callers, we're kinda in a gross spot with this smallish 6 SPR. Did someone outflop us? The SPR is probably too small to be able to figure that out. Honestly, we're probably committed, especially against clueless whale who could easily think 66 is the nuts here. I think this is a must bet as whale has shown she'll call two streets with anything, and we'd rather not give a free card to 3 opponents (and will hate life if an A/K falls). I probably bet on the large side to target the whale, possibly even to setup a shove on the turn.

I'm cool with turn as played.

I don't mind the check on the river if we think Button will bluff at it. Otherwise, I probably make a small bet/fold for value. As played, even though overcalling is typically pretty bad, against a possible bluffer and a noobish player who has no clue about hand values, given this price this is a snap overcall, imo.

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Hating on this a little bit.

Whale called two barrels with marginal overcards. She's calling the flop with lots of things we beat. Bet flop.

Turn seems fine.

OTR, whale "barely understands hand strengths". Never folding. A raise is probably a little optimistic against button. Presumably he has also figured out that whale is not a good bluffing target.

But let's rewind. Raise pre, as much as you think she'll call. Bet flop. Bet turn. Bet river. If she sucks out on you, tell her nice hand. Rebuy. No matter how many times this happens, never, ever, ever give any indication that it bothers you or berate her play. If someone else does, derail it.


She's paying you for entertainment. So entertain.

no brainer snap call.

neither player has a 7. Whale has A high here. Button might have a 6. But he has it a lot less than the 5:1 that you are getting. Super underrepped. Laying this down would be horrific

I don't get how we could fold. Yeah we might be beat sometimes but the cc being the whale shouldn't affect our decision much at all. If the whale bet and the other guy raised etc or if they're two competent regs that's different obv.


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