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Weird hand, straight on river call a shove ? Weird hand, straight on river call a shove ?

08-28-2019 , 04:55 PM
Hey guys, yesterday I played the most awkward hand yet and wanted to know what you'd do.

Blinds are 10/20 Czk which is about 0,5/1$ with 7 people at the table (LIVE)

Everyone in front of me limps and I also limp with Q♠️ 8♠️ being the co (questionable I know but getting a great price) btn folds, sb calls, bb checked.

flop: J♠️ J♥️ 9♣️ - everyone checks
turn: J♠️ J♥️ 9♣️ 7♥️ - everyone checks
river: J♠️ J♥️ 9♣️ 7♥️ 10♦️ - sb checks, bb leads with over pot bet 130 into 120, folds to me, I raise 360.
he tanks for over a minute and re raises to 1200 which pretty much covered me.

After a 10 seconds of being confused and a bit shocked I told my self I have to call, especially the way the hand played out being checked all the way to the river.
I called and he had it, J♦️9♠️...

So I wanted to ask if I did the right thing ? What would you guys do ?
I personally think the way the hand played out I had to call otherwise I'd fold too much, the possible combinations that I beat and had me beat on the river are about 50/50 and me having to call 840 to win 2650 it wasn't a bad call.

But I may be completely wrong and would love to read your thoughts and input.
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08-28-2019 , 05:00 PM
Super easy fold once he shoves on you.
When he polarizes hard on the river with his overbet you’re already going for very thin value by raising him with a straight that is about the 21st nuts in this board.
Once he reraise shoves you have an incredibly easy lay down, and yes, I would have said all of this if you didn’t include V’a hand, which you shouldn’t do in HH’s.
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08-28-2019 , 07:34 PM
Call pre is fine. I'd bet flop with a gutshot+BDFD when nobody seems interested.

River in theory is probably just a call, but people overplay 8x in this spot and full houses/KQ seem unlikely, so I think a thin value raise is fine. It's trivial fold to the 3-bet. He always has a full-house here.
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08-28-2019 , 10:09 PM
Why are you raising an overbet? What overbet hand (that you are beating) calls here? Unless he's insane, he's betting a busted draw () or the nuts. He should not be overbetting and jamming trips. That's a bet-small-hope-for-a-crying-call hand. BB can have JT, J9, J7, possibly 99 or 77. What other hands (other than bluffs) overbet here? and then jam?

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 08-28-2019 at 10:16 PM.
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08-29-2019 , 12:21 AM
There are 40 combos available better than Q8ss. When it all goes in he is going to have 1 of them 99% of the time, make that 100% when flop and turn is checked.
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08-29-2019 , 11:25 AM
I would not raise this river, even with your straight to the Queen, when V over bets the pot. His hand is screaming extreme strength or complete air, and I don't think there is any value left from raising. KQ is gonna cry call, and the rest is boats only that aren't folding.

This is why you should fold this hand preflop ( or at very least, enter with a raise), this hand led you to make further errors on later streets which multiplied in value. You have to be able to play these types of hands damn near perfect postflop to even make the hand close to profitable. Any subpar play after the flop makes this hand extremely negative in value over all, as you learned here.
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08-29-2019 , 03:44 PM
V's bet on the river is polarizing. He either is trapping with a full house or he's bluffing. He would have bet Jx either on the flop or the turn.

When you raise, you're really only targeting a naked 8, so it's kind of thin. I wouldn't expect V to show up with just trip jacks, and a ten isn't going to call a raise. So I would have just flat called the river bet.

Easy fold when V 3-bets. He has a full house 95% or more of the time.
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08-29-2019 , 06:24 PM
Don’t let the numbers bias you. I am thinking of this spot as $13 into $12 at 1|2, which is not polarizing and most probably just 8x.
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12-20-2019 , 03:48 AM
Beware of the limper. You need to just get to showdown as cheap as possible...or fold.

After you play 1000s of limped pots and get your face incinerated for being a fish you get the hang of it.

You will learn this from experience. Or not.
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12-20-2019 , 05:07 AM
I flat the river overbet but AP its a trivial fold to the jam.
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12-20-2019 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WereBeer
I flat the river overbet but AP its a trivial fold to the jam.
This.
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12-20-2019 , 12:38 PM
Easy river flat vs this sizing. Even if he bets a normal amount its a crystal clear raise/fold. What bluffs can he have?
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12-20-2019 , 01:21 PM
I'm calling river 100% of the time, as has been said he either has a busted draw, complete air or the nuts, raising opens us up to this and at low stakes until I've seen someone capable of making this move with air I'm pretty much snap folding to the river 3b.
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12-21-2019 , 09:06 PM
In no limit, the only warning we get is a small twig breaking a mile away.

(Apologies to the long-forgotten original author I remembered this meme from.)

Raising the river without the nuts is just asking for trouble.

Get this wrong a few times and you will eventually concur.
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