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10-19-2018 , 08:50 PM

larrytao

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Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 104

Live €1/2 full ring

LJ (young Asian - wider than normal open range, especially overvaluing offsuit broadway hands from the showdowns he has) raised to €11
I called on the button with

T
BB (weak and straightforward player) called also

BB has about €250 and LJ has €350 and I cover them both

Pot: €34

Flop:

4
BB decided to lead for €13 (pretty weird) LJ called and I called (is it better to raise here?)
Pot: €73

Turn:

4
BB led again for €24 LJ called and I called
Pot: €145

River:

T
BB checked and LJ bet out for €65 - Hero??

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10-19-2018 , 08:59 PM

Garick

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,519

Don't raise flop with a bare FD unless both V's are pretty MUBSY

River is a fold for me, more for fear of TsXs and being outkicked or a random 4 than the BD flush.

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10-19-2018 , 09:04 PM

johnnyBuz

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Garick - highly unlikely a random 1/2 player is value betting A

here (which is only one combo btw).

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10-19-2018 , 09:09 PM

Garick

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TsJs-TsKs too, given V profile. I'm might call in game, but multiway with a paired and BDF board, I don't have much love for TP9K, even for a half-pot bet.

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10-20-2018 , 12:55 AM

monikrazy

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Folding as played, most players do not bluff enough here

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10-20-2018 , 01:04 AM

dangomango

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it's a fairly easy call given pot odds

if it were me i might raise the turn to 100-120...

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10-23-2018 , 11:18 PM

devnull2

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Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garick

Don't raise flop with a bare FD unless both V's are pretty MUBSY

River is a fold for me, more for fear of TsXs and being outkicked or a random 4 than the BD flush.

H has OESD not flush draw. Considering the stack sizes, I actually would raise on the flop. If LJ had an overpair, he would pop it here. Looks a lot like overs and/or some strong draws like A

. BB probably has a range 8X, two pairs and some draws.

Raising puts both of them in a bad spot and makes this hand much easier to play with. As played, river is a fold. I would fold the turn, as our equity against two players is pretty thin.

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10-23-2018 , 11:21 PM

Garick

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Typo, but it's just one out less. As for raising putting them in a bad spot, only if they have fold buttons, which most LLSNL Vs don't.

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10-23-2018 , 11:53 PM

TrubyKGB

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 858

Not raising the flop. Most flush draws will be calling And there could potentially be a made hand there as well.

Turn : I know we're getting 7-1 here and it seems crazy to fold but we have 6 clean outs...not even to the nuts. Are we calling the turn to value bet the river when we hit? If we get raised are we ever good? Whenever I play straight draws I want to be able to have the nuts. Would be a better call if we are heads up as well. And then we get into a river situation where it seems like we're just guessing what we should be doing.

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10-23-2018 , 11:53 PM

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devnull2

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Fair enough. If they are not folding, we are just lighting money. As played, turn is a fold IMO.

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