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Old 06-02-2014, 01:43 PM   #1
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A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

Local casino playing $1/3
Hero reg. rec player,late 30's Hisp male, very friendly, laughing conversing with most of the table, drinking beer. Been at table about 4 hrs. bought in for $300
V1 mid 40's white guy,came from broken table about hour ago with $450 now has about $1600, has been hit hard by deck. Has played about 80% of hands...Playing 3,6o flopping boats, 8,4 off hitting 2 pr etc, in raised pots. Have seen him around but no history.
V2 Older Asian guy mb mid 40's, been mostly nitty pre to aggressive post. He's up in this game. Has been at table longer than I have 4+hrs( I think he bought in for $300)
on to hand
V1($1600) limps in MP
V2($550) raises to $15 in HJ
H ($625) calls w/AA on button
Flop($44/after rake) 8,3,5

V1 checks
V2 bets $25
H thinks for a second and just calls. I'm thinking if I raise V1 will not call
V1 calls
Turn ($119) J
V1 checks
V2 bets $35
Hero???
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:01 PM   #2
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

I'd 3-bet pre, if this guy is nitty and coming in for a raise pre, he might not have a raise/call range pre. It might just be raise/4-bet.

If it were the aggro V I'd be more likely to flat the whole way, keep his range wide, and keep him value-owning himself while we under-rep our AA.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:05 PM   #3
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

I don't like 3 / 4 betting my aces pre all the time, it's so face up.

Raising to 100 here on the turn to see where were at, and hopefully get it heads up on the river.
V2 is nitty pre, so 8,3,5 is not in his range, he possibly has 7,8 and hit his 8.
His bets are fairly weak, $35 on the turn is small showing weak hand.
V1 isn't checking turn with a huge hand.

You are best imo.
I fire $250 river if v2 calls.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:08 PM   #4
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

I think flatting pre is fine some of the time.

I think raising flop is better than flatting. He may decide to commit with an OP like JJ-KK on an 8-high board.

As played, I feel you may have to call down and bet river if checked to. The range of hands he can call is much narrower now
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:16 PM   #5
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

After V2 bets the $35
H raises to $135
V1 folds
V2 tanks for about 3 min. and calls
River($389) K
V2 bets $100
Hero ????
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:20 PM   #6
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

I am pot controlling and calling the $100.

King probably changes nothing, but after all we just have a pair and KJ could be in villains range. Maybe we are missing value here but I like to play it safe most the time with only 1 pair and call it.

What did he have?
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:35 PM   #7
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I don't like 3 / 4 betting my aces pre all the time, it's so face up.

Raising to 100 here on the turn to see where were at, and hopefully get it heads up on the river.
V2 is nitty pre, so 8,3,5 is not in his range, he possibly has 7,8 and hit his 8.
His bets are fairly weak, $35 on the turn is small showing weak hand.
V1 isn't checking turn with a huge hand.

You are best imo.
I fire $250 river if v2 calls.
I'm always 3 betting pre here.

If this makes your hand play face up then your 3 bet range is way too small....especially this deep.
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Old 06-02-2014, 03:22 PM   #8
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

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I don't like 3 / 4 betting my aces pre all the time, it's so face up.
If you don't want your 3-betting range to be face up, flatting AA some of the time won't accomplish that. What it accomplishes is that your AA is hidden sometimes. But even if you're only 3-betting 60% of the AA you get dealt, your 3-bet range is still just AA. Working other hands into your 3-bet range pf will let you 3-bet AA and get paid off because now you've been doing the same with lesser hands.

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Raising to 100 here on the turn to see where were at, and hopefully get it heads up on the river.
V2 is nitty pre, so 8,3,5 is not in his range, he possibly has 7,8 and hit his 8.
His bets are fairly weak, $35 on the turn is small showing weak hand.
V1 isn't checking turn with a huge hand.

You are best imo.
I fire $250 river if v2 calls.
Probably the worse reason to raise/bet.

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I am pot controlling and calling the $100.

King probably changes nothing, but after all we just have a pair and KJ could be in villains range. Maybe we are missing value here but I like to play it safe most the time with only 1 pair and call it.

What did he have?
King changes everything lol. We beat very little now. V2 is aggro post but not stupid. He's not getting here with KQ/AK. The hand starts pf and he's nitty pf, whats his raising pf range? TT+/AQs+/AKo. Hero doesn't beat JJ/KK, AK/AQ/TT don't get this far. Unless he's making a blocking bet or value bet bluffing with QQ, Hero beats almost nothing.

This is why I would have 3-bet pre against this guy though. We get value early, we can get him to value himself sometimes and we have shorter stacks post.
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Old 06-02-2014, 03:31 PM   #9
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Re: A's vs Nit & Maniac ($1/3)

I'm cool with just flatting preflop. If we want to size our 3bet large enough where we can comfortably stack off postflop, it's unlikely anyone will call. And even though villain is nitty preflop and he's raising, it seems unlikely to me he's going to stack off preflop with KK for $550 (right?). Plus a call brings fish along, which we're ok with, and we'll be in position postflop.

My plan postflop would be to enter calldown mode unless board/action gets ugly. So I'm cool with just flatting the flop, and even though turn bet is lol size and board is drawy, I really don't want to get on my way for playing for stacks (which a decent raise would do), so I would continue with the calldown plan (and would fold to a check/raise from fish).

As played, I think we're simply getting too good of odds to fold the river, and we beat AK flush draw.

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