This hand has been driving me nuts all week... Bring on the harshness people, I want to know where I was in this hand...

Playing 1/2 game at local poker club, average chip stack is 500, average PFR is 20. I sit down with 500 and run well for 2 orbits up to 850. I just beat the super aggro friend of the villian in the hand in question in a small 75 dollar pot calling with mid pair garb-kick to test aggro theory.

Hero ~850 JJ HJ
Villian ~350 BB
standard loose passive play so far from what I can tell

Action folds around to me, I open for 20... his buddy on CO flats folds to him he calls.


FLOP:

Q94


Checks to me, I c-bet for 40.. CO folds, villian calls...


TURN: 4

Villian donks $75....................

Wheels spinning forever, figured 4-5 is in his range on BB being loose passive, more probable is AQ with a now diamond draw... I figure I'm beat and muck but could not put him on a hand properly given his loose passive image, hadn't donked into anyone else so far so the thought crossed my mind it's a "I'll show you..." bet and maybe I'm good...

you made a pretty large raise pre, a healthy cbet, block the only draw, and he makes the stop and go play- yes, you are beat. Q, 4, slowplayed sets is his range imo.

According to OP, preflop raise was standard ($20 is standard in many of my games of 1/2). This is the perfect card for V to bluff at, but you didn't tell us much about him. In my games, this would be player-dependent. With no real read on V besides loose-passive (or hero for that matter), I'd fold.

Thanks so far, I really didn't think a read on me was helpful in this 2 orbit start. I just stood up to his aggro friend and thought that was relevant. For all purposes though I am a very mental state depending player. I can play on all ends of the spectrum aggression wise. This particular day I was running well and feeling good so was entering PF only when I could raise to enter or call small PPs. Only partial aggro plays I was making was bumping certain players c-bets (not his) to take down pots on the flop. The turn bet seemed very out of character for his post flop play thus far which was standard call to draw fold when missed, bet with TPGK or better. The turn donk bet threw me ... hope the added info helps

I do think this could be a tough spot however I think it is a clear fold. You said he will bet TPGK and typically checks call draws. He also is loose passive so he could have a lot of hands in his Pre Flop range. The question is what will he continue with you on the flop? There are no flush draws out there and as Sauhand stated you have two blockers to the straight draw. He could have called preflop with A4s as well.

Now people can correct me if I am wrong here but my range for him is:

J10s = 2 combos
JQs = 2 combos
AQ = 12 combos
Q9s = 2 combos
99 = 3 combos
A4s = 2 combos
45s = 2 combos

So according to my range I set we are only beating the combos of J10s which are discounted due to us holding JJ. My reasoning for this range is that you said this player is loose passive. Passive being the key word to me so when he shows aggression towards you that signals to me that "he has it" and you are losing.

I think this a clear laydown. Thoughts?

Love the range break down thank you. I am 100% the lay down is correct and am really trying to understand the reasoning behind the donk bet on the turn. I think the expanded range you bring to the table in your analysis helps with the turn bet concern. Possibly a player that could have picked up on my premium hand entering (though only two orbits) and does not think I'll fire again, wants to extract value from possible KK+...Thanks

You've won $350 in two orbits "running well," so I didn't know if you were being aggro, showing down winners, winning w/ c-bets, etc.

I see a lot of players donk from the blinds on turns like this, but they are usually the better more aggro players, which V doesn't seem to be, playing against weak / scared money opponents, which you don't seem to be. Fold is good.

Loose passive villains donk mostly bc they are afraid of you checking behind. The board is meh and he prob doesn't expect you to bet the turn for him...

When a villain is putting $115 into a $100 pot before you are able to react, it is time to fold your second pair.

This is a super easy fold imo.

He can't have a queen and a diamond draw (b/c the Qd is on the board, not in his hand).

This is a fold. His range is queens (ace kicker down to 9), set of nines, slowplayed AA/KK

Even if your guess is right and this is an "I'll show you" type of bluff, you don't have to play guessing games with a bluff-catcher when he looks like he wants to build a big pot to win money from him.

Ugh I messed up the suites in the OP, should have been Q94 ...@mtag, thats how I had AQ in his range.. Thanks guys

@stinkubus I think that's exactly where we're at.

This is a major flaw in my game I need to work on...Thanks

Snap fold. Get em next time.

This is a very good point that most dont think about when an OOP player 'Johhny Chan's' a hand.

You either have 1 out or are taking on too much risk here. I might even fold this one face up so they know that they 'got' me to lay one down. It also lets the table know you are still on a roll.

Are these regs? Pretty much any actions taken during 2 orbits have to be discounted unless you (and your opponents) were forced to show down your holdings quite often or they were just playing 'all' the hands. GL