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A villain who never bluffs in a spot where he reps nothing A villain who never bluffs in a spot where he reps nothing

04-25-2015 , 01:16 PM
This is a 1/2 game. Villain is a muscular Samoan with a bad tattoo. Please note that when I said in the title that he "never bluffs", I don't really know that for sure. I've only played with him for a couple hours and during that time I have seen him pass up a couple opportunities to cbet as the preflop raiser. In an earlier hand, he raised pre and got two callers and it checked around three times on a QT87x board, and one of the field callers won with 55. So I think he is less likely than average to pull a big bluff.

He is on the tight-passive side preflop, but postflop he bets made hands pretty aggressively. I don't think he will slowplay KK+ preflop OOP, but who knows?

I have approximately $450 and villain covers.

Villain is in the BB. Two limpers and Hero makes it $12 in MP with AA. Folds around to villain, who calls. Limpers call.

Flop KJ7

Checks around to Hero, who bets $30. Villain is the only caller.

Turn 2

Checks to Hero, who bets $60. Villain raises to $130. Hero?

The reason this spot is tough in my opinion is that Villain is the sort to play made hands aggressively, especially when there are so many draws out there. I don't really see him flat-calling flop with a big hand one on of the wettest boards ever. On the other hand, I don't know why he would wait until the turn to semibluff a draw of some sort, and I don't see how he can have picked up equity on the turn.
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04-25-2015 , 01:24 PM
Probably calling.
I expect that the average person can overplay AK here often enough.
Likely betting the river my self when checked too, and calling most bets that he puts out there under 2/3 the pot.
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04-25-2015 , 01:42 PM
I call and probably call river unless it's an A. I think he has AK, KJ or a set, which stinks, but he could have some other random hand we don't expect (big draw?).

Edit: This is probably a fold, but I can't fold yet.

Last edited by Javanewt; 04-25-2015 at 01:49 PM.
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04-25-2015 , 01:50 PM
Grunch:

This deep, his min-raise on the turn looks like a stop-bet, designed to get a cheap showdown. A value hand would raise more and I don't think he is semi-bluffing here when you have shown this much strength.

I call here and bet/fold 150 OTR in order to get looked up by KQ/KT.
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04-25-2015 , 02:02 PM
DeathCabForTootie: We are in position, so do you call a bet? (If I call turn, I probably call river.)
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04-25-2015 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Javanewt
DeathCabForTootie: We are in position, so do you call a bet? (If I call turn, I probably call river.)
Lol wheeee day drinking!

I'd be more concerned if the villain x/r with not much behind, but there are so many hands we are ahead of that I'm okay with calling here and evaluating the river.

Fwiw if villain bombs river...yeesh. Soul read time I suppose. I think he's checking one pair hands on the river.
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04-25-2015 , 03:14 PM
I think this is a snap fold. Turn min raise is super nutted without reads otherwise...
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04-25-2015 , 03:39 PM
The good news is that he has you on AK (because that's what everyone has) and you can beat it. The bad news is that you can't beat anything else.

I think Beluga holds here and I'm happy folding my OP to a player that isn't cbetting in places where he can.
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04-25-2015 , 05:54 PM
Fold.
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04-25-2015 , 05:55 PM
I fold.
With villain description this is not a bluff raise, he either is protecting KQ/AK or has 2 pair+. More likely 2 pair plus.

I don't even find this a nitty fold.
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04-26-2015 , 12:04 AM
I'm actually glad opinions are so mixed on this, as it indicates I'm not a total donk for thinking it's a tough spot. I've been going back and forth on it. Sometimes I think it's a clear fold, and sometimes I think we should call getting 4 to 1, and probably fold if he bets river.

Results:

Spoiler:
I fold face up (a leak, I know), and he shows his cards to the guy sitting next to him. I snap invoke the "show one, show all" rule, and the dealer turns over his hand. It's QJ.
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04-26-2015 , 02:11 AM
Surprised at the first few responses. This is usually a fold vs this player type. Who has all combos of KJ and 77 for his "reps nothing". probably some K7 and J7 too. Time to read his soul I guess.

Just read results and villain is really good at clicking buttons.
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04-26-2015 , 01:05 PM
VantA, I disagree that he has all of his KJ and 77 combos, because my read was he would generally be the sort of player to fastplay such a wet flop to protect his hand vs draws. Still probably a fold, but not a snap fold, imo.
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04-26-2015 , 06:11 PM
Very...

Interesting results.
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