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Very weird preflop situation with AQs Very weird preflop situation with AQs

01-17-2018 , 03:14 PM
1/2 NL, 8 handed. For the most part, the table is loose passive.

Hero (BB, $225): TAG image, has been playing the second least amount of hands at the table, but has only limped once pre flop and is raising every time hero enters hand or flatting other raises. Table respects hero's bets (i.e. check raise bluffed twice and both were insta-folds, and fired a three barrel bluff into someone who folded AK, TPTK, face up a few hands prior)

Villain (BTN, $150): Extreme NIT. Villain is LITERALLY always at our local card room. It doesn't matter if I come at 11 AM, 4 PM or 10 PM, he will always be in the same seat. He folds almost every single hand, and usually plays 1-2 hands an hour. Villain also gets extremely upset whenever he loses a hand. There are times in every single session where villain sarcastically nods his head, sarcastically thinks for 10 seconds and then folds pre flop and says "look at my cards, why don't you?" to dealer. Villain also regularly berates dealers and I've never seen him tip a dealer, despite being a multimillionaire. I've been playing hold 'em seriously for about a year now, so I see villain whenever I go to my go to card room, and I have seen him raise pre flop only a few times ever, and only got to see his hand go to show down once and he had AA, but I've seen him limp AA, KK, QQ, and AK countless times.

OTTH

Everyone folds until CO flats. Villain raises it to $20 (?!?!). SB folds. Hero looks up to A Q.

Hero? Is there any way to justify a call here?
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01-17-2018 , 03:18 PM
just fold. this guy only plays aces pretty much, no need to call and hope and pray to flop a FD for a 10x raise (light implied odds anyway).
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01-17-2018 , 03:20 PM
With these stacks, easy fold. Then lol at the nit as he bitches about not getting action.
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01-17-2018 , 03:31 PM
Snap fold.
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01-17-2018 , 03:49 PM
No one only raises AA. If he was deeper I'd try to flop big and put him on tilt. This would be +EV. That's entertainment value, not expected value.
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01-17-2018 , 04:18 PM
Even if he doesn't have AA exactly, we are dogs against his range. Let's say he has all AA, and half the AK and JJ-KK combos. We still only have 30% equity against his range, and we don't have any IOs to speak of, as his hands without an ace are never paying us on A-high boards, and rarely on flushing boards.
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01-17-2018 , 04:20 PM
We can still flop straights and quads. Which puts him on sets and boats. Ha!
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01-17-2018 , 04:23 PM
Easy fold. I've folded AQ pre-flop to a single raise a lot, esp OOP. Against tighter ranges it just doesn't fare well. If we put v on a range of JJ+ and AK we basically have to flop an ace to feel mildly good about the hand and even then AK/AA is out there and we're not going to make much money from JJ/QQ/KK. Really bad RIO.

I still feel really nitty everytime I fold it preflop, but think it is the right move against nitty players.
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01-17-2018 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NutJob72
We can still flop straights and quads. Which puts him on sets and boats. Ha!
Yes, and that will happen exactly 1.307% of the time... Need do be pretty damned deep for quad/straight mining.
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01-17-2018 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Even if he doesn't have AA exactly, we are dogs against his range. Let's say he has all AA, and half the AK and JJ-KK combos. We still only have 30% equity against his range, and we don't have any IOs to speak of, as his hands without an ace are never paying us on A-high boards, and rarely on flushing boards.
This exactly came to my mind. I'm not getting paid off if I hit a flush. I probably NEVER have two live cards (I guess if he had JJ, but I don't see him ever raising with that, but who knows). If I hit an A or a Q I'm still really not feeling that good about my hand.
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01-17-2018 , 05:28 PM
So your admitting there's a chance. Garick, I'm being sarcastic man.
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01-17-2018 , 05:33 PM
It's a beginner forum. Not only was I not sure, we generally discourage sarcasm as some OPs might not realize it.

I do agree that there is a huge joy in tilting a nit, though.
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01-17-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
I do agree that there is a huge joy in tilting a nit, though.
One time I c bet OTF with a straight flush draw and same villain check raised all in with a set of aces and I hit a flush on the river...What proceeded was various profanity laced insults, him kicking his chair over, and actually leaving the card room for 45 minutes (which no one at the table said they had ever seen.)
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01-17-2018 , 05:47 PM
AQ facing a raise in the blinds is a 3! Or fold imo. Here it is a snap fold.
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01-17-2018 , 05:51 PM
There could be an argument for flatting if the open is from ep and no one else has called but I still like to 3! Here.
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01-17-2018 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NutJob72
There could be an argument for flatting if the open is from ep and no one else has called but I still like to 3! Here.
3betting here is the worst option.
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01-17-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
3betting here is the worst option.
I wasn't talking about this particular hand. I was talking about AQ in blinfs facing an open in general. This particular situation is obviously a fold.
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01-17-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NutJob72
I wasn't talking about this particular hand. I was talking about AQ in blinfs facing an open in general. This particular situation is obviously a fold.
It's still not an automatic 3bet. There are other factors to consider such as the villian's range, stack sizes, your image and table dynamics just to name a few.
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01-17-2018 , 08:54 PM
Not for me. I'm 3!/folding or folding most times. Very rarely calling.
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01-17-2018 , 09:55 PM
Fold pre. You can flat with your informational advantage if you’re deep enough, although something like 76s or a pair is going to be better than this.
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01-18-2018 , 12:14 AM
Fold.

I could get behind doing something in this spot with AQs if we were 450bb deep.

In this exact spot it's 75bb so just muck the AQs.

With AA/KK, I 3bet or jam preflop. With QQ, I call and look for a flop with no A and no K. You can probably fold JJ and AKs profitably in this spot. It depends whether he is going to cbet his AK when he misses the board and whether we can bluff him off a chop on the river with AK.
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01-18-2018 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
Fold.

I could get behind doing something in this spot with AQs if we were 450bb deep.

In this exact spot it's 75bb so just muck the AQs.

With AA/KK, I 3bet or jam preflop. With QQ, I call and look for a flop with no A and no K. You can probably fold JJ and AKs profitably in this spot. It depends whether he is going to cbet his AK when he misses the board and whether we can bluff him off a chop on the river with AK.
He would never c bet AK if he didn't hit & would definitely be able to bluff him off a chop with AK on the river (or turn)
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01-18-2018 , 02:36 PM
fold pre.

What city do you play in? I swear your Villain description is absolutely spot on for one of the regs that plays in my casino.
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01-18-2018 , 04:20 PM
EZ fold as others have said, not only because his range is so polarized and way ahead of us but also because he won't pay you off if you outflop him anyway so what's the point? This kind of guy is perfect for you to sit to his right and steal his button pretty much every lap.
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01-18-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
fold pre.

What city do you play in? I swear your Villain description is absolutely spot on for one of the regs that plays in my casino.
Haha, I'm in the Metro Detroit area. I don't think this can be the same reg because this is a card room and not a casino. It does suck having super NIT's at the table that regularly cause problems & are unpleasant to be around though.
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