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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
You have to be extremely good to play these types of hands even in position. Perhaps you are. That said, I think it's better to have very good reads on your Vs before attempting fancy moves like this, since a lot of your value here is positional FE.
AP: I prefer a flop raise in position as c-bet from main V is likely overpair or AK-AJs and blinds have checked. Since board favors blinds' range, their passivity seems like a green light for you here. Since you flatted, sb has come along which I don't think is good for you.
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Your first point here is definitely a good one and I felt that way after I shoved river. I could have picked a better V to do this to, but once he tanked for a couple minutes I knew that my shove was the right move AP, because if he has a tough decision here, shoving is worth it.
Yes, he gets about 3:1, but if I get him to fold better or chops almost ever shoving makes a lot of sense and the river pairing the board is actually a pretty great card for me. Remember, your bluff/call down odds math works both ways.
I don’t agree with your flop raise idea though, if I was deeper, yeah, I can see that. But there’s a lot of turns that I wouldn’t have taken this line with.
If I raise flop, I’ll be forced to either shove turn (without knowing it’s the ace of spades), OR check turn and be left guessing on the river.
The thing I like about the turn bet is that it will get the river checked to me in last position so frequently.
Also, if I raise flop I’m totally guessing/hoping that SB and BB don’t have better than me.
Part of what was interesting to me about this hand was how critical position is and how quickly pre mistakes can lead to dicey situations.
Also, semi-bluffing with equity is hella fun.