Loose/passive 1/3 table

3 limps, Hero raises $20 w/ KQs OTB
SB ($200) calls
Oldie limper in MP ($300) calls

Flop ($70): J82r
Check, Check, Hero bets $35, SB calls, Oldie calls

Turn ($140): Qcc
Check, Checks, Hero bets $55

I would have bet a little more on Turn, but it is hard to say. The problem with these type of games is a few hands of heavy betting makes them get real tight, real quick. Maybe $55 was the right size bet.

I like a bet here too I think. Any reads on sb and oldie? SB only having 145 before the turn bet is interesting. Were you planning on calling an SB shove if oldie folds? Do we have any clue about our villains ranges here?

not too thin, also bet bigger on turn

They play pretty straight-forward. They will call with a lot that is behind but a turn-check/raise from either is 2p+ 100% of the time.

Plan was to bet/fold against SB or oldie both.

I'm actually questioning the flop cbet more vs 2 players here, given the J and 8 is around their calling ranges, and the fact that they're never folding any pair to one bet (esp the oldie).

flop is debatable
very easy turn bet, and bet bigger

It doesn't look horribly flawed to me except you end up with an awkward stack size.

Maybe check back and call a reasonable bet.

I don't think we need to bet this flop here. I'd probably delay cbet this board (I think you get more folds from 8s with that line).

Weird turn bet size. Trying to induce a shove here?

cbet is fine... but passing the cbet is fine too. It's against 2 opps and you're IP and it's fairly snug into their range. I like to vary cbets (on missed flops) based on some of these factors... I'd probaby cbet here <33%.

OTT. decent not great card... hit's you nicely but also completes str8 draw and likely 2p. Agree wth your bet/fold line. Would you have bet river with a brick?

I would probably not C-bet, but I don't mind it. Agree with others that turn bet should be a bit bigger, but against these players, smaller is probably fine. I doubt they are ever check/raising worse, and the small bet might get them to call with worse. Bet/fold turn is good.

Something is wrong

The pot size math is not correct. The pot on the turn should be $170

C-bet is fine. Compulsory in fact. Loose/passives call pre-flop with tons of garbage that whiffs a J82r flop. Betting here folds out about 80% of both of their ranges. Passing that up, and giving away free cards when we have just K high is not something I recommend.

On the turn, I'd check back. We c-bet a dry board, got called twice, an overcard hit the turn, and it completes a straight draw. That's plenty of reasons for us to be shutting down. When we don't, we send a pretty strong signal to our opponents that we are seeking value.

I don't think we're getting called by worse, and I don't think we're getting better hands to fold.

I want value from Jx, and I don't think I'm gonna get it if I bomb this turn. However, if I check the turn, and the river is safe, I can bluff catch in position, or I can make a $90-$120 value bet and get one of these dudes to call me with Jx.

nh. Sizing seems fine considering stacksizes and scare card appearing. Fold to a c/r obv.

Checking back turn is ok too but there are quite a few rivers that can lead to us missing out on more value.

I gotta go with EZ on this one, Cbet was fine and board was dry, that problem wasn't the Cbet, it was that you got 2 callers. And the Q seems like a great card but it's not, the most likely hands calling that flop are 9T or a J, of which QJ is pretty viable. Obviously your goal is to get some value from KJ or AJ or TT type hands but bombing the turn won't get you there, so I think thin value was a step in the right direction. I just think too much went wrong on the turn, as it completed the draw.

If you had hit a K on turn better, I like a check on turn and absolutely go for thin on a blank river when it checks through. As played fold to a raise, and check call a small bet on turn, but I'm folding if someone bombs it for pot even with TP.

Also lol at V limp calling 20 pre with a 200 stack in a 1/2 game....that's some good stuff.

Depends on who called the turn. If SB folds and oldie calls, I'm probably vbetting river. Or maybe not, as he had crai my thin river vbets atleast thrice in the last 2 hours, lol.

Bluff catch what? Literally nothing missed on that board. I'd hate to face a $100 bet on a blank river here. And if it's something between an 8-J, I'd feel stupid to have not value bet the turn.

I'd call the 100 and not hate it. The goal is to induce a bet from Jx.

Is that still buff caching if the v thinks he is value betting? I suck at vocabulary

Oh cmon, they're never betting Jx on blank rivers like ever. It's always always 2p+ vs these players. A $100 bet OTR is polarized at these stakes, and since there's nothing that missed, it's just 2p+.

This is not 5/10 where players turn medium strength hands into bluffs or bomb them for value.

You've never seen a LLSNL go for thin value? Are you serious?

Remember, in this example, you checked the turn

From his POV, you gave up after your c-bet on the flop, didn't bet the highest card on the board, and any flush comes through the back door.

I think enough LLSNL villains will find a way to lead out with a Jack, or a Q9 or QT that floated the flop, that you can call and not feel too badly about it.

But we both agree that's super unlikely to happen anyway. Plan A is to bet the river yourself and get called by Jx. The chances of that increase tremendously if you check back the turn.

Clubs came through the back door, and you're heads up. If he makes a flush, so be it. Don't waste time trying to sniff it out. The only bad river cards are J, T, or 9. In that case, make a read and decide what you wanna do.