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10-20-2017 , 01:16 PM
1/2 NL, casino

Tables been super nitty. Im easily the loosest player at table, but def crawling back in my hole sometimes. Pretty sure my image is loose/bluffy (even though I should have probably been bluffing more). V is stationy and just moved to table. Made comment about losing a lot of $ at last table. He moved there from my table several hours before after losing a hand too. Not a thinker. V2 was playing pretty tight, but hes cbetting a little too much, and is taking a lot of obvious stabs for past few orbits. 7 handed.

$320 eff stacks.
Raise KTs from utg (I know, whatever) $9. Mp (V2 stabby guy) calls, sb calls. Everyone else folds.

Flop ($29) T55r. I choose to check raise, assuming v2 is betting at it a lot. V2 bets $30, V1 calls pretty fast, but not instantly. I raise to $100. V2 folds. V1 tanks for like 2 minutes and calls. We both have roughly $200 behind.

Turn ($260) T55 2 (completes rainbow) V tank checks. Hero? I take like 15 seconds and check behind.

River ($260) T55 2 2. Villain checks after a bit more tanking. Hero????
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10-20-2017 , 01:41 PM
I think if you are going for a more "thin" check-raise I'd probably only do it with AT so you don't own yourself in that way. As played, I think there is some thin value to be had. I don't think he checks a 5 on the river, and if he raises, it is an easy fold. You do get owned by AT but not too often, especially if you say he is station-y. But I'm also a fish so take my advice with a grain of salt.
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10-20-2017 , 01:57 PM
I think there is probably enough QT,JT,T9 to justify a thin value bet against a stationy opponent here.
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10-20-2017 , 02:03 PM
Bet 75 on the river.

pre flop and flop are kinda a disaster.
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10-20-2017 , 02:24 PM
pre is fine.

really don't like flop - kind of an overplay and easily gets us trapped vs 5x. if you really wanted to do this do it with a hand that doesn't have a T in it (aka JJ-KK).

ap stack sizes are kind of awkward - part of me wants to shove, part of me wants to b/f small
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10-20-2017 , 03:03 PM
I'm confused. How did we xr flop if we are IP vs V? Either way not a fan of the flop xr
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10-20-2017 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
I'm confused. How did we xr flop if we are IP vs V? Either way not a fan of the flop xr
we open utg, mp call, sb call

flop: sb ck, we ck, mp bet, sb call, we x/r, mp fold, sb call
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10-20-2017 , 03:21 PM
I was actually thinking x/r plays better with an overpair or air/no 10s (Im just recently coming off hiatus but going hard and Ill stick to that excuse). With that said, I think this guy is calling and somewhat realistically holding 66-JJ, 8t, 9t, jt, qt, kt, AT, maybe 7Ts. Hes usually raising his 5s, but his long ass tank def had me thinking about 35s, 45, 56, 57 and worried I may have a bigger 5. These guys were so irrationally afraid sometimes.
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10-20-2017 , 03:38 PM
Definitely can't imagine myself checking back river. Might just ship it and hope for the best - but only do that if you've got a crazy/laggy/bluffy image.... Otherwise, $75 seems like it will get calls from everything.
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10-20-2017 , 05:42 PM
I'm going to take the opinion that I really don't mind the x/r if last to act bets too often when checked to. I just feel like if we call, then after we check/overcall here, our gig is up - we shouldn't really expect any additional value from hands 99 and smaller. So throwing in an x/r denies equity if villain bet with like JQ or AJ or 77 when those hands are unlikely to put any more money in unless they improve. And as an added benefit, we sometimes get better hands to fold (AT, maybe/rarely JJ) or might get worse hands to call (usually Tx, but maybe/rarely smaller pairs from SB)... However we obviously have to proceed with a ton of caution - SB can easily check/call trips in a spot like this. As an added benefit to x/r'ing in spots like this where it looks very weird, we get a really good opportunity to make dead on live reads. It feels to me like this is one of those spots, and if you feel like you're far ahead of most of SB's range and he's just looking you up because your line looks bluffy - then you absolutely need to go for more value here.

If last to act is extremely bluffy and will be expected to barrel off multiple streets, I think it's best to just become a station.
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10-20-2017 , 06:00 PM
Your flop play demands a turn shove with Tx+ if you're dealing with an all-world station.

If you're not, then you may have narrowed him too far and you should check turn and riv with Tx-.

Meanwhile just bet bet decide instead from UTG.
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10-20-2017 , 10:36 PM
Pretty much a perfect flop for you against two villains. I would just bet bet bet/fold. As played, you pretty much committed yourself by flop check raise. Given that and your image bomb river and hope you didn't value own yourself. You might get A10 to fold. He might be going for an Oscar with 55. Did you raise utg with K10 suited to get scared on the river with a T5522 board. Not trying to be a dick but you made your bed pre and on flop.
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