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11-20-2013 , 06:18 PM
Only read on Villain is he's pretty tight. Hasn't played a lot of hands or done anything crazy. Stack is $700 or so Hero Covers

Hero is drinking having a good time playing a lot of pots in position, c betting most flops, and has shown down the goods when called.

Straddle is on UTG 1 limper to V who limps. Hero on btn raises to $45 with AQo. V is only caller.

Flop Q44 - V checks hero bets $75 V calls

Turn J - V checks hero checks

River 7 no flush- V checks hero?

Should I be betting the turn?
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11-20-2013 , 06:41 PM
Pre - Good sizing

Flop - Good sizing again. Qx will make up a larger part of his continuing range than small pocket pairs and there's a pretty good chance he peels with pocket pairs anyway on this board.

Turn - That card sucks. Now if we bet big we're only getting value from KQ and QTs or Q9s and value owning ourselves against QJ and 4x. On the other hand, if we bet really small we can get small pocket pairs to keep peeling and therefore it'd still be a value bet. We could induce a bluff raise but since villain has a made hand due to his flop call it's really doubtful that he'll turn it into a bluff and will just want to get closer to showdown. I like a lol bet of $50.

River - We should definitely be betting for value. We might value own ourselves against QJ but it's pretty unlikely that he has 4x. I like a bet of $175 and hope to get paid by Qx or the off chance that a small pocket pair gets curious and doesn't want to fold.
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11-20-2013 , 07:25 PM
i like the turn check. Its hard to get 3 streets of value from a tight player with top pair. Definitely betting river. I think his range consists mainly of pairs between 4 and queen. Some queens are also possibly, Aq,KQ and QTs. QJ i would think would bet the river and im ruling out full houses and 4s as well. Its going to be hard to get calls from the pairs now that the jack is out there. 88-TT could get stubborn. I would more target getting a call from QTs and KQ which i think would call a reasonable bet. I like a bet of 2/3 pot.
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11-20-2013 , 07:33 PM
I am absolutely bet/folding this river.
Pot is $240, and he has $580 remaining. Value bet $110-$150 and easily fold to any raise because no one bluff raises river at 2/5.
You said he seems tight so what could he limp-call with that worries you? QJ and maybe A4ss.
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11-21-2013 , 12:12 AM
Bet/fold turn.

Bet/fold river.

Profit.

As played with the turn check, not betting the river for value is criminal.
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11-21-2013 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
Turn - That card sucks. Now if we bet big we're only getting value from KQ and QTs or Q9s and value owning ourselves against QJ and 4x.
How does this card suck? I admit it's not the ideal card. But it's not so bad.

Villain is tight - how much 4x is in his limp/call range pre-flop? Not much.

Simply using the hands you cited above:

Getting value from KQ + QTs + Q9s = 8 + 2 + 2 = 12 combos.
Value owned by QJ + 4x = 6 + 0 = 6 combos.

Go ahead and put some 4x combos for laughs (say 2 combos of A4s); I'll go ahead and add far more QTo combos for more laughs. Anyway, you get the point. Using the very hands you're highlighting makes the turn a very profitable value bet. The fact that we now lose to QJ doesn't change much at all. You also really can't give villain all QJo and QJs but say he only ever has QTs and no QTo.
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11-21-2013 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Bet/fold turn.

Bet/fold river.

Profit.

As played with the turn check, not betting the river for value is criminal.
+1
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11-21-2013 , 12:44 AM
1/2 PSB river
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11-21-2013 , 01:03 AM
I'm fine with checking turn but when he checks river this is a slam dunk value bet. He's not checking better than AQ to you twice.
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11-21-2013 , 01:04 AM
I'd bet 125 otr as played. I could see betting turn and checking river as an alternative, unlikely to get 3 streets of value from a tight player.
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11-21-2013 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
How does this card suck? I admit it's not the ideal card. But it's not so bad.

Villain is tight - how much 4x is in his limp/call range pre-flop? Not much.

Simply using the hands you cited above:

Getting value from KQ + QTs + Q9s = 8 + 2 + 2 = 12 combos.
Value owned by QJ + 4x = 6 + 0 = 6 combos.

Go ahead and put some 4x combos for laughs (say 2 combos of A4s); I'll go ahead and add far more QTo combos for more laughs. Anyway, you get the point. Using the very hands you're highlighting makes the turn a very profitable value bet. The fact that we now lose to QJ doesn't change much at all. You also really can't give villain all QJo and QJs but say he only ever has QTs and no QTo.
The card sucks mainly because small pocket pairs are snap folding to any decent bet size now and we don't dominate as much of his range as we did before, but you're right in that we're still ahead against his overall Qx range. I think a value bet of $120 looks good and value betting river if checked to.
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