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11-15-2013 , 07:22 PM
villian is loose passive pre and pretty much every street. i havent seen him ever before but i can tell he's a fish from a mile away. i haven't seen him make a single bet but he will call damn near any bet. standard live player imo
middle aged dude

he limps in EP
i raise to 11 with 67
one caller in LP one caller in the blinds and villian calls too

villian has about 300 and I cover

flop is 773

checks to me I bet 37 and get called only by original limper

turn 9

villain check calls my bet of 103

river 2

villian checks

I jammed here and I think it's pretty standard vs this type of player but my friend was at table too and told me he didnt think that was a good bet and he woulda checked back in that spot with my hand claiming that because the board is so dry and that he is putting in so much money out of position that his hand is either a FH or a better 7 here
its a decent argument but I think that I miss a ton of value here vs hands like TT/JJ etc etc or whatever he wants to hero call with and so be it if he was capable of donkey check-call trifectaing me with a better hand then he deserves the money

i didnt particularly have this read on him at the time but my friend who spoke to me about the hand said that this villian was check-calling monsters all the time but i still don't think thats enough of a read to check back here but i'm curious about other peoples opinions. yea the board is dry and its not a lot of made hands that are check calling 2 streets let alone a river shove here but i think that almost does more benefit to my hand than it does harm because people just love to look up light in spots like this because of the dry ness of the board and they 'put me on AK' or somethin stupid along those lines


just curious of other peoples opinions
thanks in advance

Last edited by Newyorkgrinder; 11-15-2013 at 07:41 PM.
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11-15-2013 , 07:33 PM
nh wp op
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11-15-2013 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
nh wp op
Fine. I get what your friend is saying and he if knows v better so be it and learn going forward with this v only. Lots of his range will end up being a pp and deciding to let you overlay your AK.
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11-15-2013 , 09:53 PM
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i havent seen him ever before but i can tell he's a fish from a mile away. i haven't seen him make a single bet but he will call damn near any bet.
You might be overconfident in your read. That said, I'm betting like seven streets with trips here against a typical live 1-2 player. Nh.
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11-16-2013 , 12:43 AM
1-2 at Foxwoods this is a must value bet. Well played.
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11-16-2013 , 01:16 AM
You would have to have some serious history with V to not ship this river. You open raised and V isn't putting you on a 7 very often. I have an older guy I play with and he is the one person I can think of that I may check this back. He literally has no raising range limp calls with AA and anything else. Any ways you would miss value from so much of his range especially if you could include large pocket pairs you have to shove for value.
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11-16-2013 , 11:27 AM
Tell your friend to go to back to the kiddie table. It's hard to put you on trips here and based on your read, it doesn't seem V is good/tricky enough to chk on the river expecting you to bet if he has a better hand. There's 300ish in pot. Sounds like V has roughly 150 left. Put him all-in and hope he calls. You're definitely missing a TON of value by checking on river. I would be shocked if he turns over a better hand.

This guy is clearly a calling station and could easily have a strong pp pf (99-AA) and is too stubborn to lay it down.
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11-16-2013 , 01:10 PM
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I ship he calls Qd7d good I guess my friend is just result oriented haha cuz I think I ship here 100% of the time vs described villian and am loving it
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