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11-09-2017 , 09:05 AM

stacko21

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 19

stack size 640, Utg QQ

I open for 15

lo jack calls, lo jack loose drunk guy

BB calls as well, Older guy caught him trying to river bluff me twice before, his stack size about 400

Flop 7

I lead for 25

lo jack folds

BB calls

Turn is 9

I bet 65

he tank calls

River 4

How should I play the river, He could have a random combo of a king or a missed draw. How did I play the other streets

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11-09-2017 , 09:19 AM

QuadJ

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Check river behind. He won't call with missed draws and the KX are calling after calling turn. There are just not enough worse hands that can call to go for thin value. He might call with 9X club draws and might turn up with JJ/TT occasionally but those make up a small fraction of his range.

Betting turn is the only questionable part but that depends on your judgement of his KX/draw/weaker hand ranges and how much he will call. Depending on villain it could be good or bad or somewhere in between.

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11-09-2017 , 09:30 AM

CWsports

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Do you have the Qc?

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11-09-2017 , 09:33 AM

stacko21

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Originally Posted by CWsports

Do you have the Qc?

sorry shouldve made that clear, no i do not

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11-09-2017 , 09:38 AM

cxy123

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bet fold. and maybe just check back. It is a thin - not a lot we beat and V range can be wide enough here that he has a lot of Ks, some sets he is slow playing and maybe a random 2p like 97. He probably folds A3cc on river and even A9cc. If so probably not getting a lot of value here and maybe checking down is best.

Its close - i would go either way but folding to a raise/shove for sure unless you have an absolute soul read on his river bluffs.

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11-09-2017 , 09:50 AM

stacko21

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Originally Posted by cxy123

he did something really weird bet really really small. $25

Last edited by stacko21; 11-09-2017 at 10:03 AM. Reason: stupid

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11-09-2017 , 09:50 AM

CWsports

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oops.....I thought we were first to act on the river so I was going to say c/c. However, it looks like V is first to act on the river. Did he bet or check? If he checked then I would check behind as he’ll fold all his draws if we bet and he’ll only call with hands that beat you.

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11-09-2017 , 09:51 AM

CWsports

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Originally Posted by stacko21

so i checked it over to him and he did something really weird bet really really small. $25

how did you check it? the BB acts before you on the river

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11-09-2017 , 09:56 AM

stacko21

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Originally Posted by CWsports

how did you check it? the BB acts before you on the river

yeah youre right I was responding to what you said and didnt think, but yeah he bet 25 i remember clearly cause of how small

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11-09-2017 , 09:57 AM

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sauhund

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c/back either flop or turn.
your sizing is too big overall.

call now.

Last edited by sauhund; 11-09-2017 at 10:00 AM. Reason: I can´t read.

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11-09-2017 , 10:06 AM

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stacko21

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Originally Posted by sauhund

c/back either flop or turn.
your sizing is too big overall.

call now.

on what streets was my sizing too big

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11-09-2017 , 10:09 AM

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cxy123

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How do you check it over to him? Isnt V in BB and Hero is UTG?

V leads river for $25 into ~$200? Shrug call not much else you can do

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11-09-2017 , 10:09 AM

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maxsawyer12

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Originally Posted by sauhund

c/back either flop or turn.
your sizing is too big overall.

call now.

I agree that turn sizing is probably too large as we want to price out his draws but still get him to incorrectly call with them and this size may just fold out flush draws. I very well may check back the turn and if he checks river then bet. As played DEFINITELY call this tiny river bet. I guess you lose most of the time but you just can't fold to such a small size.

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11-09-2017 , 10:33 AM

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CWsports

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At first I thought the turn bet looked a bit on the large size as well. However, if V has a hand like AcXc or JcTc then he has 12 outs or about 27% equity against us. If he has Ac9c or Ac7c then he has 14 outs or 31% equity. Then if he has 6c5c he has 34% equity. By betting 65 into 95 on the turn V would have to have 29% equity to have direct odds to call. Therefore, the turn bet looks good to me.

As played, call river. We only need to be good about 10% of the time for the call to be profitable.

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11-09-2017 , 11:01 AM

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QuadJ

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Originally Posted by cxy123

V leads river for $25 into ~$200? Shrug call not much else you can do

Without a specific read on his small bets that is best.

If he will blocking bet his weak made hands and bet bigger with value then a raise is in order. If he makes suck bets only with strong made hands then you may even be able to find a fold sometimes. You don't know which or how likely yet.

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11-09-2017 , 11:04 AM

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sauhund

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Originally Posted by CWsports

At first I thought the turn bet looked a bit on the large size as well. However, if V has a hand like AcXc or JcTc then he has 12 outs or about 27% equity against us. If he has Ac9c or Ac7c then he has 14 outs or 31% equity. Then if he has 6c5c he has 34% equity. By betting 65 into 95 on the turn V would have to have 29% equity to have direct odds to call. Therefore, the turn bet looks good to me.

As played, call river. We only need to be good about 10% of the time for the call to be profitable.

That´s not the point. He doesn´t only have combodraws here.
If we get him to fold everything but Kx and the draws you mentioned (which might actually happen with our sizing) we are severely value owning ourselfes.
If we got AA, AK, KQ, sure, go for it.
We can valuebet QQ twice in this spot, and maybe we should. But not with that sizing.

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