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Using "wild" hole cards / "favourite hand" or not? Using "wild" hole cards / "favourite hand" or not?

04-10-2014 , 12:00 AM
Wondering if there is any value in electing a "wild" hole card / "favourite" hand to add a bit of "crazy" to my image?
I seem to remember nanonoko plays J5s.

What's yours?

Would you pick a hand like a low suited 3gapper (48)? a suited trash (T4)? a raggy Ace? a complete trash or else?
Also would you only play one combo? or any?

Would you play it like pocket AA? or just really aggro/donkey?
Any time or would you pick specific spots?

Is this a good idea or just spewing money?
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04-10-2014 , 12:05 AM
The idea you are suggestion has some merit.
But the way that you are trying to apply is going to lose you a lot of money.

The idea that you're talking about is trying to widen your range a little bit so that when you have value hands you can get paid off, as they can't just put you on a premium hand and fold.

The problem is that if you play QQ+ and say T4s all the say way, then you will still be exploitable. I would hold off trying anything like that until you have some other solid concepts down. Then you can experiment with adding different hands to your range and trying to 'represent' other holdings.
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04-10-2014 , 12:08 AM
Not to mention that most Vs at LLSNL don't give a crap what you are representing, they just like their hand compared to the board, or they don't.

This lets us value bet the crap out of them in many spots, and occasionally to pull of a bluff that would never work against a better opponent because of how scary the board is, even if our actions don't match how we would have played if we actually had anything the scary board connected with.
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04-10-2014 , 12:15 AM
Yep, understood
Thanks
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04-10-2014 , 01:58 AM
Hands with high card value plus suitedness work well.
Axs
Kxs

Which is why these polarizing hands are often in a good players 3bet range
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04-10-2014 , 05:38 AM
This reminds me of when the WSOP on ESPN was really popular and one of my friends said if he ever was playing on the broadcast with the pocket cam he would fold AA just to confuse everyone.
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04-10-2014 , 09:56 AM
Just do it with hands that can still make the nuts, 109s suited 1 gappers. As mentioned above suited Ax and Kx are good as well with the added bonus of blockers to big pairs.

Edit: I mentioned 109s because its my favorite hand.
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04-10-2014 , 10:12 AM
Its way more situational dependent then just picking a hand and playing it like AA whenever you get it. Small pairs, suited connectors and suites aces can all be 3 bet in the right conditions. Those conditions rarely occur in llsnl though. ABC poker is still usually best.
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04-10-2014 , 11:37 AM
I ran into this strategy at a 1/2 table a week ago. I remember this fat donk from a previous session raising ATC when he straddles, so I limped with 55, he makes it $15, one caller, I squeeze thinking I will certainly just take this down here and make it $65 and only he calls. Flop comes 467. I bet $100, he goes all-in for $50 more and I call. He had his "favorite" hand of 4-7o. So, yeah, I guess when you can flop 2-pair and turn a full house, by all means play your favorite hand. It works.
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04-10-2014 , 11:41 AM
There is no need to intentionally pick a hand like this.

If you want to add a bit of "crazy" to your image, just patiently wait for your spot, usually when we're in LP with 0/1 limpers to us where we can probably profitably raise ATC, get it HU with the fit/fold BB or limper, cbet and take it down. Where we can then table our J6o and state how it's our "favourite hand".

I did something similar last time out. Somehow it folds around to me in LP with tight guys behind and a loose BB, so I raise my ATC (K7o), BB calls, 7 high flop with a flush draw, I bet, he calls, 9 turn, I bet as the last money I'm going to put in the pot, he calls with his draw, I check behind the whiffed river and scoop a decent pot, and table my "favourite hand".

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-10-2014 , 12:51 PM
Favorite hand: AA

Call me old fashioned...
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04-10-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
There is no need to intentionally pick a hand like this.

If you want to add a bit of "crazy" to your image, just patiently wait for your spot, usually when we're in LP with 0/1 limpers to us where we can probably profitably raise ATC, get it HU with the fit/fold BB or limper, cbet and take it down. Where we can then table our J6o and state how it's our "favourite hand".

I did something similar last time out. Somehow it folds around to me in LP with tight guys behind and a loose BB, so I raise my ATC (K7o), BB calls, 7 high flop with a flush draw, I bet, he calls, 9 turn, I bet as the last money I'm going to put in the pot, he calls with his draw, I check behind the whiffed river and scoop a decent pot, and table my "favourite hand".

GcluelessNLnoobG
Agree. You can in very limited circumstances do this when the situation is right, not rely on an obscure hole card combination to make this move.
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04-10-2014 , 02:57 PM
Mine is J9o
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04-10-2014 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
I limped with 55, he makes it $15, one caller, I squeeze thinking I will certainly just take this down here and make it $65
Good to follow through on that plan but if you think squeezing will work, this is a bluff preflop. And if you're bluffing pf then don't "waste" 55 to do it. 55 has some value, l/rr as a preflop steal with rags.
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04-10-2014 , 03:15 PM
Think the purpose is it has to be a bull**** hand.
3betting out of the blinds with A4s or TJs isn't really giving you a wild or donkish image.
3betting T5o then showing and saying always play the T5 as it's my favorite hand does make you look pretty donkish.

However not sure how well it would work as any semi-thinking player will realise you have sat and played tight all night and clearly been folding better hands than T5 regularly and the fact you shown makes it look like exactly what it is. Anybody who is going to say OMG he had T5 the one hand he played out of the last 15 therefore I will call him down 3 streets here with middle pair was probably going to call you down anyway.
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04-10-2014 , 04:18 PM
Seems like the winning player's favorite hand is the hand that wins the most... not really glamorous but so be it
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